@CHị cloud: e đọc trên 4rum chị jerry đưa, thấy mọi ng bảo bs Jung là bậc thầy dùng sụn tự thân, nhưng về thẩm mĩ ko phải quá giỏi, ở O&Young thì đẹp và cũng dùng sụn tự thân như thế, tuy nhiên O&Young có đến 3bs lận, và e thấy ở đó chuyên tạo hình khuôn mặt theo kiểu beauty liner( sửa thêm cả cằm nữa). Ko rõ chị thấy thế nào? Ngoài ra clinic Dk bị chê về server thật, nên e loại ngay vì sợ lắm..
Chị cũng không có cảm tình với cái BK sau khi đọc một loạt các bài than phiền của nhiều người từng làm PT ở clinic này, nhưng mà nghĩ là nếu đến Hàn thì cũng qua đó tư vấn nếu có thời gian, để xem service của họ tệ như thế nào.
BS Jung được mọi người khen nhiều là làm mũi đẹp tự nhiên mà. Bác sĩ này có chuyên môn ENT (tai mũi họng) nên có thể yên tâm hơn là bác sĩ biết cách xử lí mũi cho an toàn, chứ không chỉ là đẹp thẩm mỹ.
Như bạn nhen_xanh_007 nói thì cái Samsung Aesthetic Clinic http://www.ksamsung.co.kr/english/intro/intro04.html cũng được khen nhiều. Chị thích cái này vì bác sĩ ở đấy thiên về là mũi tự nhiên (dùng sụn hoặc dermal fat). Có một bạn trên Purse Forum làm ở clinic này dùng dermal fat và thấy cũng hài lòng.
Hiện giờ thì đang phân vân giữa 3 lựa chọn này, có vẻ hơi nghiêng về dermal fat:
- dùng sụn sườn của bản thân (autologous rib cartilage)
- dùng sụn sườn của donor (homologous rib cartilage)
- dùng lớp mỡ của bản thân (dermal fat)
Sẽ tiếp tục tham khảo tiếp.
03:34 CH 29/05/2010
Đây là kinh nghiệm của một bạn phẫu thuật mũi với Dr. Jung bằng sụn sườn ở Shimmian clinic, bạn ý post bài rất tỉ mỉ và chi tiết từ lúc xuống sân bay như thế nào cho đến lúc PT, mọi người đọc tham khảo để biết thêm, bạn này cực kì hài lòng với kết quả PT. Đây là đường link: http://forums.cozycot.com/health/30625-cheekbone-reduction-surgery-78.html
Mình copy luôn bài viết vào đây để mọi người đọc cho dễ:
I am back to inform people my Seoul trip.
The Korean Chinese interpreter picked me up at the Incheon airport on the day of my arrival. She communicated with the people at the limousine bus stops and told us that one of these men will let us know when the bus arrives. From the hotel booking website, I knew bus 6020 is the right one to take to provista. My mother noted one 6020 bus passed but the men did not tell us to get on the bus while the interpreter was busy in getting a phone call. My mother got impatient and went up to the stop where the missed 6020 stopped and waited there and then we got on the bus. There were only 3 of us (the interpreter, my mother and me), the fare was 14,000 won per person. The bus driver understood the hotel name PROVISTA and took us right to the front gate of PROVISTA. In fact the 6020 bus stop is only a couple of meters from the hotel’s front gait. Then we checked in. The hotel staff was very nice and as I requested beforehand, they provided me an exchange power plug (the power plug in korea is different.) After dropped off our luggage, we went for our appointments. It only took us 10-15 mins by walking to get to SHIMMIAN， Dr. Jung’s surgery, located at exit 3 of Gangnam subway Station (Just turn right from PROVISTA’s front gate and walk straight ahead).
I have a small, short nose with a low nasal bridge and very thin fragile skin. Previously one of the supposed best plastic surgical consultant in the Shanghai 9th People’s Hospital (the supposed best plastic hospital in Shanghai) had told my father and I (when I did my blepharoplasty) that I should not ever think about rhinoplasty as my nose were not suitable for any implants (they may break my thin fragile skin and extrude) or my nose will look like a biggy nose if taking into consideration of how much force my skin could take. Dr. Jung was a very nice, experienced and patient doctor and he was father like. He spoke both English and Chinese. He gave me a selection of a wide range of different shaped noses to choose from his computer database. I was very surprised at a lot of his reconstructive work of severely deformed nose. He did not only restore the normality of these severely deformed nose but also made them looking beautiful. I was also surprised at Dr. Jung’s ability in making different shaped noses. I chose a couple of shapes and could not make a decision between them. At the end, I said that I want a natural looking nose without showing a lot of my nostril. (I must let you know that apparently the most trendy nose in Korea usually slightly curving upward at the tip to make girls looking cute and therefore it will show a bit more nostrils. If you are going to have rhinoplasty in Korea, you’d better let the doctor know if you don’t want one of these noses, especially if your doctor is a plastic surgeon without an ENT specialty background.). Both my mother and I made the decision to have my rhinoplasty with Dr. Jung when we met him. Because I demanded rhinoplasty using my rib cartilage only, I had blood tests and CXR.
After that I went to Dr. Park’s ID hospital for mandibular angle reduction. Dr. Park speaks very good English. And his ID hospital looked very nice. I paid 20,000 won for facial bone Xray and ?CT (these would be deducted from the operation fee later.). Then I was troubled with the decision of which operation to do first. Finally, I decided to do rhinoplasty first as I was worried that it would be hard to judge the ratio of the width of the nose with a swollen face and it may improve my mouth protrusion once my nasal column and tip is raised. (I was considering mouth protrusion operation at the same time with mandibular angle reduction.)
The next day, I had rhinoplasty with Dr. Jung at SHIMMIAN. I had to fast due to the involvement of the rib cartilage during the operation, which required more sedation than other rhinoplasty. Obviously I could not tell you the process of the operation as I was totally knocked out, but my mother told me that Dr. Jung called her in to see the shape of my nose and asked her whether she was satisfied – this is the most crucial step as the shape of the nose at this moment will be how the nose will look like in long run when swelling settles completely after 6 months. My mother saw it and she was very satisfied. I should have asked her to take a photo at that time as I will not know until 6 months later. The most difficult part of the post operative recovery was the waking up period from the sedation. When the anaesthetist woke me up, I refused to wake up as I had a nice dream and had been lacking sleep for a long time due to my extensive preparation for all these. The poor anaesthetist tried everything to keep me awake and he eventually had to ask my mother to keep chatting with me so I don’t fall asleep again. The other reason for not wanting to wake up was the dizziness and nausea I felt on waking. I stayed at Dr. Jung’s surgery overnight. Superisingly, my nose and my rib were not hurting much at all, at least they were not the ones bothering me that day. I threw away the pain relief medication from the medication pack (I guessed they were as they had a name sound like opioid class pain relief, however, I can not recognize any of the other medications as they only had 2-3 short hand letters). I did not want to take these analgesics as I did not have much pain and I did not want the nausea feeling I might get from these analgesics. Another uncomfortable thing was nasal packing.
The next day, I felt much better. Dizziness and nausea all passed. The pretty nurse took my nasal pack out in the morning and I felt so much better. I thought I had to have the nasal packing for a couple of days. Such a relief!!! Then I was expecting nasal congestion and blockage to come. But now almost 1.5 weeks post-op, I still have not experienced nasal passage blockage. Instead, I can breathe much better now comparing to preoperatively. I know a lot of people complained of nasal blockage even my interpreter warned me of it. But for me it never came. I am not sure whether it was because that I was lucky or Dr. Jung being a very experienced ENT doctor as well skillfully prevented it for me.
Now, as for my nose, the recovery was very speedy. The scar on the nasal column was minimal (I choosed open method as I have seen a lot of cases done with internal method made the nostril asymmetrical with increased risk of deviation of the nose from midline and inability to achieve best height and shape.). The shape of my nose is very nice, the swelling had improved at least 60%. My mouth is not protruding any more. And also my epicanthus (the inner corners of my eyes) are much closer and thus made my eyes looking larger and longer. However, the donor site of my rib cartilage got a bit sore 3-4 days after the operation. The most annoying bit was the compression dressing on the wound, it felt like something heavy on your chest and the chest splint made me unable to eat much due to the restriction. But now 1.5 weeks down the tract, it is much better.
I called off facial contouring operation for a couple of reasons. Firstly, with my nose higher and longer, my face looked smaller and more 3 dimentional now as comparing to previously. My face was not big from the start, even Dr. Park said so. Doing the mandibular angle reduction will only mainly improve my side profile. Secondly, I really hate the nausea and dizziness from the sedation. I do not think I had intubation and ventilation during this operation as my throat was perfectly fine, so the sedation and post operative discomfort and anaesthetic risk were not too big. For me to risk a true GA for this small amount of imperfection, I think I would be mad. I think if I ever get a bit perfectionistic again about my small mandible angles, I will go for botox.
I haven’t been to the forum earlier was because I want to wait for the effect and I want to be responsible and accurate with my experience and operation result. I do not want to mislead you guys. Dr. Jung would be someone that I would recommend to any one without any reservation. If there is ever a nose that is hard to do, he would be your best bet. But unfortunately, I was a coward and quit the facial contour operation, therefore I cannot tell you too much of facial contour operation.
I have seen total 4 doctors in Seoul, and was planning to see 7 originally. I ended up using the Korean Chinese interpreter for 2 days only and paid her each day, the airport arrival day and the operation day. The consultations were done within these two days. I paid for her lunch although she said she could pay herself. I think it was worthwhile. I could try to do all these by myself with my extensive research but I would like someone to help me when I arranged my schedule tight like this. It was also nice to chat to someone who has some experience in this field and has seen a lot of post operative cases. As I said before, she gave me the names of top plastic surgeons in Korea. But the final decision is yours. I have stated the reason previously why I do not want to rely totally on the individual clinic service. On the operation day, the interpreter kept my anxious mother at ease and gave her support constantly as it was a very long operation. Dr. Jung took at least 3.5 hours (not counting my waking up time from the sedation). This is another reason I regard Dr. Jung highly. It probably takes maximum 1 hour to do a rhinoplasty using artificial implant under local, light sedation without in hospital time. However it would take 2-3 times LONGER to do rhinoplasty using rib cartilage and hiring an anaesthetist for heavy sedation. You can check out the price at www.nose.co.kr at the consultation or FAQ section. It would be much more cost effective for him to do 3-4 rhinoplasties using artificial implants than doing one rhinoplasty using rib cartilage. It gives me the impression that he is more of an academic person. As for interpreter, another role is also a personal carer. I had the luck of having my mother with me. But honestly, if one is going for rhinoplasty using rib cartilage or facial bone contouring operation, one would be a bit mad not to have someone to act as a carer for at least a couple of days. The reason being 1. the risk of operation and anaesthesia 2. the post operative discomfort. Majority of the hospitals and clinics only let patients stay for 1 day post operatively and I would be a bit superised if the nurses help the patient to the toilet, shower, change undies. I could not emphasize more the importance of having a family with you especially for bone contouring operation due to the risk of GA.
Some of you may be wondering why I did not consider of having multiple operation with the same person or hospital, so I can undergo only one operation and one anaesthesia. I want to get operated by the best surgeon in each field and unfortunately, it is the very truth of medicine that there is no doctor that can be the masterhand of everything. Face is not something one wants to have a revision. I am not here in Seoul for convenience after all.
As for interpreter, I think she was a reasonable one. I had been trialling out a couple, one was Chinese foreign student in Seoul and she quoted me 200,000 KRW per day and wanted to be with me the whole time I was there and I could not get any names of good plastic surgeons out of her, so I told her to go back to her graduate thesis and don’t worry about me. The other one charges a similar rate as this one but insisted on taking me to the ones he suggested and said that he can get me a very good bargan if I do the operation at the same time and same clinic with one of his other other customers. I am not in Seoul to make up a number for him to get a discount and a commission from the clinic.
Even with the Chinese Korean Interpreter, I did a lot of preparation just in case she was not nice to me. I am a very cautious person and do not like to do anything unprepared. Even the interpreter commented that I was very prepared and had almost arranged everything myself. One thing I found is that majority of Korean people are very nice and willing to help. When we were lost and asked for our way back to the hotel, there was a Korean man made a mobile call to ask for us and a Korean girl in skirt took us to the place when it was only 5 degree and windy. But we did get hit hard with a walking stick by a Korean begger pretending to be blind at the Gangnam station. So my advice is to be cautious, be prepared, but be nice and polite on your journey.
Mình copy luôn bài viết vào đây để mọi người đọc cho dễ:
I am back to inform people my Seoul trip.
The Korean Chinese interpreter picked me up at the Incheon airport on the day of my arrival. She communicated with the people at the limousine bus stops and told us that one of these men will let us know when the bus arrives. From the hotel booking website, I knew bus 6020 is the right one to take to provista. My mother noted one 6020 bus passed but the men did not tell us to get on the bus while the interpreter was busy in getting a phone call. My mother got impatient and went up to the stop where the missed 6020 stopped and waited there and then we got on the bus. There were only 3 of us (the interpreter, my mother and me), the fare was 14,000 won per person. The bus driver understood the hotel name PROVISTA and took us right to the front gate of PROVISTA. In fact the 6020 bus stop is only a couple of meters from the hotel’s front gait. Then we checked in. The hotel staff was very nice and as I requested beforehand, they provided me an exchange power plug (the power plug in korea is different.) After dropped off our luggage, we went for our appointments. It only took us 10-15 mins by walking to get to SHIMMIAN， Dr. Jung’s surgery, located at exit 3 of Gangnam subway Station (Just turn right from PROVISTA’s front gate and walk straight ahead).
I have a small, short nose with a low nasal bridge and very thin fragile skin. Previously one of the supposed best plastic surgical consultant in the Shanghai 9th People’s Hospital (the supposed best plastic hospital in Shanghai) had told my father and I (when I did my blepharoplasty) that I should not ever think about rhinoplasty as my nose were not suitable for any implants (they may break my thin fragile skin and extrude) or my nose will look like a biggy nose if taking into consideration of how much force my skin could take. Dr. Jung was a very nice, experienced and patient doctor and he was father like. He spoke both English and Chinese. He gave me a selection of a wide range of different shaped noses to choose from his computer database. I was very surprised at a lot of his reconstructive work of severely deformed nose. He did not only restore the normality of these severely deformed nose but also made them looking beautiful. I was also surprised at Dr. Jung’s ability in making different shaped noses. I chose a couple of shapes and could not make a decision between them. At the end, I said that I want a natural looking nose without showing a lot of my nostril. (I must let you know that apparently the most trendy nose in Korea usually slightly curving upward at the tip to make girls looking cute and therefore it will show a bit more nostrils. If you are going to have rhinoplasty in Korea, you’d better let the doctor know if you don’t want one of these noses, especially if your doctor is a plastic surgeon without an ENT specialty background.). Both my mother and I made the decision to have my rhinoplasty with Dr. Jung when we met him. Because I demanded rhinoplasty using my rib cartilage only, I had blood tests and CXR.
After that I went to Dr. Park’s ID hospital for mandibular angle reduction. Dr. Park speaks very good English. And his ID hospital looked very nice. I paid 20,000 won for facial bone Xray and ?CT (these would be deducted from the operation fee later.). Then I was troubled with the decision of which operation to do first. Finally, I decided to do rhinoplasty first as I was worried that it would be hard to judge the ratio of the width of the nose with a swollen face and it may improve my mouth protrusion once my nasal column and tip is raised. (I was considering mouth protrusion operation at the same time with mandibular angle reduction.)
The next day, I had rhinoplasty with Dr. Jung at SHIMMIAN. I had to fast due to the involvement of the rib cartilage during the operation, which required more sedation than other rhinoplasty. Obviously I could not tell you the process of the operation as I was totally knocked out, but my mother told me that Dr. Jung called her in to see the shape of my nose and asked her whether she was satisfied – this is the most crucial step as the shape of the nose at this moment will be how the nose will look like in long run when swelling settles completely after 6 months. My mother saw it and she was very satisfied. I should have asked her to take a photo at that time as I will not know until 6 months later. The most difficult part of the post operative recovery was the waking up period from the sedation. When the anaesthetist woke me up, I refused to wake up as I had a nice dream and had been lacking sleep for a long time due to my extensive preparation for all these. The poor anaesthetist tried everything to keep me awake and he eventually had to ask my mother to keep chatting with me so I don’t fall asleep again. The other reason for not wanting to wake up was the dizziness and nausea I felt on waking. I stayed at Dr. Jung’s surgery overnight. Superisingly, my nose and my rib were not hurting much at all, at least they were not the ones bothering me that day. I threw away the pain relief medication from the medication pack (I guessed they were as they had a name sound like opioid class pain relief, however, I can not recognize any of the other medications as they only had 2-3 short hand letters). I did not want to take these analgesics as I did not have much pain and I did not want the nausea feeling I might get from these analgesics. Another uncomfortable thing was nasal packing.
The next day, I felt much better. Dizziness and nausea all passed. The pretty nurse took my nasal pack out in the morning and I felt so much better. I thought I had to have the nasal packing for a couple of days. Such a relief!!! Then I was expecting nasal congestion and blockage to come. But now almost 1.5 weeks post-op, I still have not experienced nasal passage blockage. Instead, I can breathe much better now comparing to preoperatively. I know a lot of people complained of nasal blockage even my interpreter warned me of it. But for me it never came. I am not sure whether it was because that I was lucky or Dr. Jung being a very experienced ENT doctor as well skillfully prevented it for me.
Now, as for my nose, the recovery was very speedy. The scar on the nasal column was minimal (I choosed open method as I have seen a lot of cases done with internal method made the nostril asymmetrical with increased risk of deviation of the nose from midline and inability to achieve best height and shape.). The shape of my nose is very nice, the swelling had improved at least 60%. My mouth is not protruding any more. And also my epicanthus (the inner corners of my eyes) are much closer and thus made my eyes looking larger and longer. However, the donor site of my rib cartilage got a bit sore 3-4 days after the operation. The most annoying bit was the compression dressing on the wound, it felt like something heavy on your chest and the chest splint made me unable to eat much due to the restriction. But now 1.5 weeks down the tract, it is much better.
I called off facial contouring operation for a couple of reasons. Firstly, with my nose higher and longer, my face looked smaller and more 3 dimentional now as comparing to previously. My face was not big from the start, even Dr. Park said so. Doing the mandibular angle reduction will only mainly improve my side profile. Secondly, I really hate the nausea and dizziness from the sedation. I do not think I had intubation and ventilation during this operation as my throat was perfectly fine, so the sedation and post operative discomfort and anaesthetic risk were not too big. For me to risk a true GA for this small amount of imperfection, I think I would be mad. I think if I ever get a bit perfectionistic again about my small mandible angles, I will go for botox.
I haven’t been to the forum earlier was because I want to wait for the effect and I want to be responsible and accurate with my experience and operation result. I do not want to mislead you guys. Dr. Jung would be someone that I would recommend to any one without any reservation. If there is ever a nose that is hard to do, he would be your best bet. But unfortunately, I was a coward and quit the facial contour operation, therefore I cannot tell you too much of facial contour operation.
I have seen total 4 doctors in Seoul, and was planning to see 7 originally. I ended up using the Korean Chinese interpreter for 2 days only and paid her each day, the airport arrival day and the operation day. The consultations were done within these two days. I paid for her lunch although she said she could pay herself. I think it was worthwhile. I could try to do all these by myself with my extensive research but I would like someone to help me when I arranged my schedule tight like this. It was also nice to chat to someone who has some experience in this field and has seen a lot of post operative cases. As I said before, she gave me the names of top plastic surgeons in Korea. But the final decision is yours. I have stated the reason previously why I do not want to rely totally on the individual clinic service. On the operation day, the interpreter kept my anxious mother at ease and gave her support constantly as it was a very long operation. Dr. Jung took at least 3.5 hours (not counting my waking up time from the sedation). This is another reason I regard Dr. Jung highly. It probably takes maximum 1 hour to do a rhinoplasty using artificial implant under local, light sedation without in hospital time. However it would take 2-3 times LONGER to do rhinoplasty using rib cartilage and hiring an anaesthetist for heavy sedation. You can check out the price at www.nose.co.kr at the consultation or FAQ section. It would be much more cost effective for him to do 3-4 rhinoplasties using artificial implants than doing one rhinoplasty using rib cartilage. It gives me the impression that he is more of an academic person. As for interpreter, another role is also a personal carer. I had the luck of having my mother with me. But honestly, if one is going for rhinoplasty using rib cartilage or facial bone contouring operation, one would be a bit mad not to have someone to act as a carer for at least a couple of days. The reason being 1. the risk of operation and anaesthesia 2. the post operative discomfort. Majority of the hospitals and clinics only let patients stay for 1 day post operatively and I would be a bit superised if the nurses help the patient to the toilet, shower, change undies. I could not emphasize more the importance of having a family with you especially for bone contouring operation due to the risk of GA.
Some of you may be wondering why I did not consider of having multiple operation with the same person or hospital, so I can undergo only one operation and one anaesthesia. I want to get operated by the best surgeon in each field and unfortunately, it is the very truth of medicine that there is no doctor that can be the masterhand of everything. Face is not something one wants to have a revision. I am not here in Seoul for convenience after all.
As for interpreter, I think she was a reasonable one. I had been trialling out a couple, one was Chinese foreign student in Seoul and she quoted me 200,000 KRW per day and wanted to be with me the whole time I was there and I could not get any names of good plastic surgeons out of her, so I told her to go back to her graduate thesis and don’t worry about me. The other one charges a similar rate as this one but insisted on taking me to the ones he suggested and said that he can get me a very good bargan if I do the operation at the same time and same clinic with one of his other other customers. I am not in Seoul to make up a number for him to get a discount and a commission from the clinic.
Even with the Chinese Korean Interpreter, I did a lot of preparation just in case she was not nice to me. I am a very cautious person and do not like to do anything unprepared. Even the interpreter commented that I was very prepared and had almost arranged everything myself. One thing I found is that majority of Korean people are very nice and willing to help. When we were lost and asked for our way back to the hotel, there was a Korean man made a mobile call to ask for us and a Korean girl in skirt took us to the place when it was only 5 degree and windy. But we did get hit hard with a walking stick by a Korean begger pretending to be blind at the Gangnam station. So my advice is to be cautious, be prepared, but be nice and polite on your journey.
02:00 CH 27/05/2010
Chị chỉ biết mỗi cái Youngdong Hotel thôi www.youngdonghotel.co.kr, nó không quá sang trọng nhưng cũng là business hotel, hồi sang Hàn chị ở KS này. Phòng ốc của khách sạn này khá sạch sẽ và ưu điểm lớn nhất của nó là nằm ngay trung tâm tập trung các clinic PTTM nên ai đi phẫu thuật ở quanh Apgujeong station thi có thể đi bộ 5-10 phút từ khách sạn. Ngoài ra thì KS có contract với một số restaurants nên mọi người có thể gọi đồ ăn mang thẳng đến phòng với giá khá là rẻ (thường $5 là được một bữa rất no bụng có đầy đủ rau và kimchi), phục vụ 24/24. Giá phòng KS để trên website thì trên $100/ đêm nhưng nếu ai ở từ 10 ngày trở lên và gọi điện thẳng sang Hàn đặt trước (NV ở đấy nói TA ok) và mặc cả thì họ sẽ giảm xuống cho còn khoảng KRW 80 tức khoảng $70.
Hệ thống underground ở Hàn thì rất tiện, chỉ cần có cái bản đồ trên tay là mình tự đi lấy được hết, không thì taxi cũng tiện và rẻ, mội tội lái taxi ở Hàn rất kém về khoản đường xá, nhiều khi mình còn phải xem bản đồ để chỉ đường đi cho taxi ý.
Hệ thống underground ở Hàn thì rất tiện, chỉ cần có cái bản đồ trên tay là mình tự đi lấy được hết, không thì taxi cũng tiện và rẻ, mội tội lái taxi ở Hàn rất kém về khoản đường xá, nhiều khi mình còn phải xem bản đồ để chỉ đường đi cho taxi ý.
01:54 CH 27/05/2010
Mình tháng 7 này sẽ sang HQ, do đó cũng chuẩn bị xin visa, tuy nhiên mình thì đơn giản hơn vì mình đang ở châu âu, nhưng vẫn cần phải minh chứng tài sản. Thường các bạn để trong tài khoản khoảng 7000$ là okie, tiền đó đằng nào sau cũng phải xài mà hihi. Phí xin visa khoảng 30$, chỗ mình là 24€. Nếu bạn nào từng có visa đi chơi nhiều nc rùi thì mình nghĩ xin đc ngay. CÒn nếu bạn đang ở vn thì liên hệ với tour du lịch, ko có khó khăn j, nhưng phí cao hơn chút hình như 50$.
Mình cũng muốn sang để làm mũi, hiện bạn mình ở đó có biết 1 clinic tin cậy, nhưng mình xem sản phẩm trc và sau ko quá khác biệt nhiều lắm, nhưng đúng là thiên về tự nhiên. Mình có cái mũi mọi ng đều bảo nhỏ nhắn xinh xinh, nhưng ngặt nỗi nó quá hếch lộ rõ 2 lỗ mũi, mà mũi hếch để sửa cho dài ra mình nghĩ chắc ko làm nổi ở vn :(.
Ở HQ ng ta thiên về clinic nhiều hơn, giá tiền cũng mắc hơn nhiều, làm ở bv thường bị chê xấu
Bạn có thể chia sẻ thông tin clinic mà bạn biết được không? Mình cũng muốn tham khảo để biết càng nhiều càng tốt. Mình nghĩ nếu bạn đã mất công đi Hàn thì nên đi tư vấn một vài clinic rồi hãy quyết định, để rồi sau này không phải tiếc là mình đã không tìm hiểu kĩ và chọn bác sĩ tố nhất cho mình. Ngoài ra thì mỗi bác sĩ cũng có một cách khác nhau, có thể cách này mình thích nhưng cách kia mình lại không thích nên việc tìm bác sĩ phù hợp cũng là quan trọng. Các clinics danh tiếng ở Seoul hầu hết đều tập trung ở khu Kangnam, đặc biệt là quanh Apgujeong station, gần như là nối tiếp nhau, mỗi building là một clinic (gọi là clinic thôi chứ thực ra nhiều cái làm việc chuyên nghiệp như 1 bệnh viện thu nhỏ, có đầy đủ cả chỗ nghỉ lại cho bệnh nhân). Qua tìm hiều thì mình biết được những clinic sau cũng khá là có tiếng tăm, cái này trả lời luôn những bạn nhắn tin cho mình vì mình không có thời gian để trả lời từng tin nhắn một.
- Migo clinic: http://www.migoclinic.co.kr
- Dream clinic: http://www.e-dream.co.kr/about/english/staffs.aspx
- BK Dongyang: http://eng.bkdy.co.kr/ (clinic này thì nhiều bạn đã nói đến rồi, hình như mình nhớ ai đó cũng nói là service của clinic này không tốt lắm vì quá đông khách)
- Clinic 9: http://www.seoulps.co.kr/main/main.asp
- Banobagi clinic: http://www.banobagi.co.kr/
- O&Young clinic: http://www.onyoung.co.kr/info/sub_info01.php
- Shimmian clinic: http://www.nose.co.kr/english/main/main.asp ( cái này mình nhớ hình như cũng có bạn nói rồi, bác sĩ này chỉ chuyên làm về mũi thôi và cũng rất giỏi thì phải)
Hiện giờ thì mình chỉ biết có thế, sẽ update thêm nếu biết thêm. Nếu sang Hàn thì mình sẽ đi tư vấn hết tất cả những chỗ này trước khi chọn ra bác sĩ phù hợp.
02:47 CH 26/05/2010
Đây là link giá PT của Shimmian clinic
http://www.nose.co.kr/english/qna/read.asp?idx=88&page=1&S_Kinds=Title&S_STR=&flag=12&LangType=1
Nếu làm sụn tự thân thì giá đắt hơn, tận $7000 cơ nhưng mà bác sĩ này hình như cũng là đắt nhất ở Hàn rồi.
http://www.nose.co.kr/english/qna/read.asp?idx=88&page=1&S_Kinds=Title&S_STR=&flag=12&LangType=1
Nếu làm sụn tự thân thì giá đắt hơn, tận $7000 cơ nhưng mà bác sĩ này hình như cũng là đắt nhất ở Hàn rồi.
01:07 CH 26/05/2010
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Sợ quá cơ, nha khoa Mozart này mới mở phòng khám nên phái chạy vào đây quảng cáo bằng cái trò ''không đẹp'' này. Mình chẳng hiểu mấy nick mạo danh là bác sĩ ở đây, nếu là bác sĩ thật thì y đức ở đâu mà chỉ giỏi nhảy vào đấu đá nói xấu bác sĩ khác khi thấy người ta có nhiều bệnh nhân hơn. Xin các vị hãy để yên cho cái diễn đàn này nó lành, đừng có lôi mọi người ở đây ra làm nạn nhân, không phải ai cũng ''ngốc'' để nghe mấy lời nhảm nhí chẳng có bằng chứng của những cái nick mạo danh nào đó. Nếu là bác sĩ thật, có đủ bản lĩnh, đủ trình độ, dám chịu trách nhiệm về những lời mình nói thì hãy ra mặt xem mình là ai, tên tuổi đàng hoàng chứ cần gì phải kém cỏi, chơi mấy trò trẻ con dấu mặt để nói xấu người khác và quảng cáo cho phòng khám của mình.
Mình cực dị ứng với những dạng bác sĩ như thế này nên bực mình phải vào viết vài câu. Học 1 năm ở Pháp chả là gì cả bác sĩ Minh Phương ạ. Bác sĩ Pháp được đào tạo đàng hoàng ở Pháp cũng đầy người dốt, làm chả ra gì đâu, cứ vào bệnh viện Việt Pháp thì sẽ thấy. Còn có những người giỏi và có năng lực, có thể họ không có điều kiện học đầy đủ nhưng họ hoc dần và tích lũy kinh nghiệm dần thì họ vẫn giỏi. Các trường đại học mỗi năm đào tạo hàng chục nghín sinh viên, có những người học xong rất giỏi nhưng cũng có những người học xong chả biết gì hết. Thế nên BS.Minh Phương không cần phải đem cái bằng ngắn hạn ở Pháp ra để quảng cáo. Nếu cứ sang Pháp học mà thành tài thì nhiều người cũng thừa tiền để làm được việc đấy lắm.