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Học y tốn kém, đòi hỏi trình độ thật cao mới theo được. Ra nghề thì vất vả, áp lực. Có khi thực tập hay xin làm không lương để có cái chân trong bệnh viện.

Khi ra nghề đến khi có thu nhập là một thời gian khá dài. Thu nhập ko tương xứng với công sức bỏ ra. Đủ thứ áp lực. Xã hội ko có những người tôn sùng lãnh đạo như bạn, sẽ ko có bác sĩ quát nạt bệnh nhân.

Ko hiểu bạn hiểu ý tôi ko. Thật lòng tôi cũng đã gặp nhiều bác sĩ rất mất dạy. Nhưng đa số từ bản chất họ đều tốt, nhưng họ bị ép phải như thế.

Cũng chả hiểu bạn hiểu ý tôi ko :))


Đọc những cmt của muathu_choem, mình suy nghĩ rất nhiều, ko biết mình có sai lầm ko khi khuyên em gái mình đăng ký vào học trường DHYD TPHCM, lúc đó em gái mình đậu 2 trường, DHBK va DHYD, em mình đã đăng ký nhập học và học bên DHBK vì em mình thích học bên đó hơn, nhưng sau khi mình và Mẹ cố gắng khuyên thì em mình chuyển qua DHYD, năm nay em mình đang học năm 2 rôi. Nếu thực sự như những gì bạn muathu_choem nói thì mình thấy hối hận wa :(
05:25 CH 01/11/2012
BV Quốc tế Vũ Anh - Gò Vấp
Mẹ Ly_Trinh sinh mổ hay sinh thường vậy? Có nên mời bác sĩ Kiều Dung sang mổ cho mình không hay nên nhờ bs Phi luôn nếu sinh ỏ Vũ Anh. Xin các mẹ cho thêm ý kiến nhé vì tháng 12 này mình sanh rồi và cũng đã quyết định chọn VAH nhưng chỉ còn đang lăng tăng vụ này thôi........

xin loi mẹ Dylan nha, mấy ngày rồi con mình quấy quá nên ko trả lời mẹ Dylan sớm dc, mình sinh mổ, lúc đầu dự định sinh thường thôi, nhưng do mình ko sinh thường dc nên fai chuyển qua sinh mổ, bs Phi mổ cho mình ( mình theo khám bs Phi từ đầu luôn ) lúc mình chuẩn bị từ phòng sinh thường chuyển qua phòng mổ, mình nghe bs Phi nói với y tá là gọi bs Dung chuẩn bị sinh mổ, lúc đó mình nghĩ chắc là cả 2 bs Phi va bs Dung sẽ mổ cho mình, đến lúc mổ thì mình ko biết bs Dung có mổ ko nữa vì mình ko để ý, nhưng chắc chắn là bs Phi mổ cho mình rồi. thấy y tá đến rửa vết thương khen vết mổ mình đẹp :Smiling:, nói chung mình th61y bs Phi cũng ok lắm mẹ Dylan ah, nói chung nếu trong suốt thời kỳ mang thai ko có vấn đề gì và có dkien thì sinh ở VAnh là tuyệt vời :Laughing:, sinh ở VAnh dc xông hơ miễn phí 2 lần, mình thích cái khoản này lắm,còn nếu mình muốn xông hơ thêm thì phí dvu 1 lần là 300k :Sick: mẹ Dylan tháng 12 mới sinh ah, chúc mẹ Dylan vượt cạn thành công mẹ khỏe con khỏe nhé :Rose:, mà mẹ nó định sinh thường hay mổ vậy ?
01:36 CH 29/11/2010
BV Quốc tế Vũ Anh - Gò Vấp
chào các mẹ, mình mới sinh ở Vũ Anh hôm thứ 2 vừa rồi, mình nhập viện đêm chủ nhật lúc 22h, mình theo bs Phi từ lúc đầu, ( bs Phi rất nhiệt tình ) hiện tại mình vẫn đang ơ trong bvien, ngày mai mẹ con mình sẽ xuất viện, nói chung mình và gdinh rất hài lòng với dvu của Vũ Anh, chỉ có điều vì mình ko có bhiem gi hết nên tra tiền viện phí cũng hơi :Sick: , mình đang hồi hộp xem cái bill viện phí ngày mai nó ra sao nè hihiihi , thui lan man vài dòng với các mẹ trc vậy, để ngày mai mình sẽ nói rõ hơn nhé :)
11:20 SA 19/11/2010
BV Quốc tế Vũ Anh - Gò Vấp
Mình cũng đang theo bs Phi nè, lần đầu tiên khi biết có thai mình đi khám ở bv PSQT, nhưng mình ko thấy hài lòng chút nào, sau đó mình về nhà lên mạng mày mò tìm hiểu thì biết đến bv này, rồi lần thứ 2 mình đi khám thai đến bv Vũ Anh là ưng ý liền :Smiling: . Lần đầu tiên khi khám ở Vũ Anh mình định theo khám bs Dung, nhưng bữa đó Bs Dung lại bận họp giao ban gì đó, mình ngồi chờ thấy lâu quá nên đến hỏi lễ tân còn bs nào khác ko thì mình dc biết là còn bs Phi, lúc đầu mình cũng hơi lưỡng lự vì bs Phi là bs nam :Smiling:, nhưng rồi mình cũng qdinh khám bs Phi thử xem sao và cho đến bây giờ mình thấy rất hài lòng về bs Phi, mỗi lần mình đi khám thai thì thấy cũng có nhiều mẹ theo khám thai bs Phi lắm đó. Nghe mẹ Nthh1007 nói mới sanh tháng 8 vừa rồi do bs Phi đỡ luôn mình thấy yên tâm quá hihihi . Mẹ vietnaminsight còn 1.5 nữa là sinh rồi ah ? Chúc bạn mẹ nó vượt cạn thành công, con khỏe, mẹ khỏe nhé. Mình dự kiến sẽ sinh vào 23/11 cơ, còn đến 2 tháng nữa mà mình cũng nặng nề lắm rồi :Crying: ko biết có mẹ nào dự kiến sinh gần ngày với mình ở Vũ Anh ko nhỉ?
10:41 SA 20/09/2010
Tư vấn chỉ số siêu âm thai theo tuần
Anh ơi ! Anh xem giúp em có fai bé nhà em hơi còi và xuơng đùi hơi ngắn fai ko ah :Sad:
KKC của em là 16/ 02, chu kỳ của em rất đều khoảng 27- 28 ngày . Bắt đầu có thai em dc 46kg, cao 1,58m
Đây là các chỉ số siêu âm gần đây nhất
** Ngày 02/08
- Ngôi thai : di động
- Tm thai : 142l/phút
- Đường kíng lưỡng đỉnh : 60mm
- Chiều dài xuơng đùi : 42mm
- Đường kính ngang bụng : 65mm
- Đường kính trước sau : 65mm
- Đường kính ngang hốc mắt : 42mm
- Chiều dài xuơng mũi : 7.9mm
- Ngã tư não thất : 4.5mm
- Đường kính ngang tiểu não : 24mm
- Lượng nước ối : AFI# 15cm
- Vị trí nhau bám : mặt sau, nhóm I
- Chiều cao tử cung : 21cm
- Độ trưởng thành : I
- Trọng lượng thai : 698gram ( mẹ nặng : 53kg )
- tuổi thai theo KKC : 23w6, theo siêu âm :24w
** Ngày 09/09
- Tim thai : 137l/phút
- Ngôi : Đầu
- BPD : 75mm
- FML : 54m
- APTD : 76mm
- TTD : 77mm
- Nước ối : bình thường
- Dây rốn : bình thường
- Trưởng thành : độ I- II
- Vị trí : Mặt sau, nhóm I
- Trọng lượng dự đoán : 1538gram ( mẹ : 58kg :Crying: )
- tuổi thai theo KKC : 29w2, theo siêu âm :30w
Của em hơi dài dòng chút, bs chịu khó đọc kỹ 1 chút nhé :Laughing:, mẹ con em tặng hoa cho bs nè :Rose::Rose::Rose:
09:28 SA 19/09/2010
Nên để tóc dài hay tóc ngắn khi mang bầu và khi...
haizaaaaaaa.... thì ra có nhiều mẹ cắt tóc ngắn khi sanh thế nhỉ ?:Battin ey:, lúc trc thì mình cũng làm tóc đủ kiểu, hết ép , nhuộm rồi lại uốn tóc kiểu hàn quốc ( cũng xinh lắm hí hí hí :Laughing: ) nhưng mà từ lúc có thai là mình ko làm gì luôn, lúc nào mình cũng búi cao lên như kiểu mấy em tin làm í. cuối tháng 11 mình mới sanh nhưng có lẽ qua tuần mình sẽ đi làm lại tóc, mình tính ép tóc và tỉa bớt tóc cho mỏng nhưng con bạn mình làm nghề tóc nó lại đang xúi mình uốn cho đẹp :Sigh:, mình cũng đang fan vân quá, đẹp thì mình rất muốn rùi hehhehe, ko biết có mẹ nào cũng uốn tóc trc khi sanh em bé ko nhỉ ?
08:05 SA 19/09/2010
1 tháng tăng 4 ký có quá nhiều?Bs chỉ định ăn ít...
hix hix , tháng rồi mình cũng tăng đến 4kg luôn nè, chỉ tiêu của mình đặt ra là có bầu chỉ tăng 12kg thôi, nhưng chắc là ko dc rồi, bữa nay mình dc 29 tuần mà đã tăng 11kg rồi :Crying:. Mà dạo này mình toàn thèm ăn ngọt thôi mới chết chứ, mới tối qua sau khi ăn cơm no bụng rùi mà còn ăn thêm 1 ly chè thái to đùng luôn huhuhuhu. kiểu này chắc mình fai cố gắng kiêng đồ ngọt thôi
08:51 SA 07/09/2010
'Đỉnh Olympia' lần thứ 10 có phải huỷ kết quả?
Có ai sợ hãi giọng em biên tập viên trên cầu truyền hình không ? vô duyên nhỉ ? không bao giờ thử giong hay sao ? cầu trời đừng để em ấy dẫn bất cứ chương trình nào.. Amen !

hahaha, ban này giống mình, mỗi lần chiếu trực tiếp đến btv này, mình fai chuyển sang đài khác xem, hix hix hix, mình nghe mà cứ nổi hết da gà vì ghê wa :Crying::Crying:
08:20 SA 13/06/2010
Khi các Mẹ chưa tìm được bác sĩ giỏi ở Sài Gòn

Nhân tiện, mình từng đọc topic này từ đầu đến cuối và thu thập các địa chỉ KCB của mẹ Doctor4u vào 1 file để dành sử dụng. Các mẹ nào có nhu cầu thì pm cho mình địa chỉ email mình chia sẻ cho các mẹ.

Me nó ơi ! Mẹ nó gửi file các dc KCM cho mình vào d.c email này nha :
trinh_cecilia@yahoo.com
cám ơn mẹ nó nhiều lắm :Rose::Rose:
04:35 CH 05/04/2010
Xem sinh trai hay gái dựa vào tuổi vợ chồng và...
Chi oi ! xem giúp em nha
Mẹ : 27/12/1983 ( DL )
Bố : 10/12/1980 ( DL )
KKC : 16/02/2010 ( DL )
vậy sẽ là bé trai hay gái vậy chị
Tks chị nhiều nhiều :Rose::Rose::Rose::Rose:
01:58 CH 15/03/2010
Ảnh cô dâu xa xứ
in cái này gọi là in hi-flex phải ko mấy chị ?
có chị nào đi in rùi ở SGòn thì cho em xin địa chỉ nha :LoveStruc::LoveStruc:, tháng 1 này em chụp hình rùi đi in luôn để treo ở sân khâu, sao nghe Ly_Trinh nói thấy rẻ vậy, H hỏi chỗ studio H sắp chụp hình nó báo giá mắc gấp 3,4 lần :mad: . ai chỉ giúp em nha.
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Hi bạn, vì mình cưới cách nay 1 năm rồi, nên có thể giá rẻ hơn so với bây giờ, nói thật là mình cũng ko nhớ chính xác giá của tấm hình treo trên sân khấu đó lắm. Vì khi vc mình chụp hình cưới làm album size lớn nên dc tặng thêm 1 tấm hình để ngoài cổng nữa, nhưng vc mình ko lấy và chuyển sang làm tấm hình lớn treo trên sân khấu nên có thể giá sẽ rẻ hơn bình thường. :Thinking:
Chúc bạn sẽ sớm tìm dc nơi in tấm hình treo trên sân khấu với giá cả hợp lý và đẹp nhé :Rose::Rose:
03:47 CH 27/11/2009
gửi tiền từ Đức về Việt Nam ????
Chị gái mình gửi qua dịch vụ của Western Union, phí gừi trung bình cho 1000E là gần 100E
nếu gửi nhiều thì mắc quá, vì mình ko ở Đức nên ko rành mấy cái vụ chuyển tiền này lắm, nếu ai biết thì có thể chỉ cho mình cách chuyển rõ ràng hơn 1 chút nha, khi nhận tiền mình muốn nhận tiền EURO luôn
Cám ơn mọi ngườ nhiều lắm :Rose:
05:36 CH 28/10/2009
gửi tiền từ Đức về Việt Nam ????
Cám ơn Schnapsl nhiều nha :Rose:
nhưng mà người nhà mình ở thành phố Betzdorf, hok biết có gần chỗ đó hok nữa, bạn có thể hỏi giúp mình phí gửi tiền trung bình cho 1000Euro thì hết bao nhiêu, nếu gửi nhiều thì có giảm phí gửi ko, có hóa đơn , bằng chứng giao và nhận tiền gửi gì ko nha bạn ? vì mình sợ gửi nhiều mà ko có giấy tờ gì hết lỡ mà ở vnam ko nhận dc tiền thì :Sick::Sick:
ah, bạn hỏi thêm cho mình là nếu muốn gửi quà, trái cây ở sài gòn sang thì sẽ gửi ở đâu nha, bạn có thể cho mình d/c và số dt luôn dc ko?
cám ơn bạn nhiều lắm :Rose::Rose:
04:37 CH 27/10/2009
Ghép tên Vợ Vào Các Giấy Tờ Ở Mỹ !!!!
chuyện lấy được ITIN thì phải hỏi mình nè ... chuyện ITIN chỉ có thể khai thuế có tên vợ chồng thôi chứ bỏ tên vào ngân hàng thì không được và bỏ vào bảo hiểm gì đó cũng không được ... chỉ có thuế thôi ... có gì kêu ông xã của bạn liên lạc với tui tôi chỉ cho ... Điện thoại của tôi là 503-841-2333
07:36 CH 15/10/2009
Thắc mắc về định cư ở Mỹ theo diện vợ/ chồng....
Tiếp theo bài trên --------->

 10 November 2008: I called her and we had a long talk. I told her that I wanted a wedding at the end of this year. The next year would be not good for my age. At that time we really wanted to be side by side together.
 14 November 2008: after talking with Trinh, I called to talk to my father about our relation. After that my father called Trinh’s parents to discuss our love and asked them to take care of the wedding preparation as my father was far away. He said he would manage to be back Vietnam to be the host of the wedding ceremony.
 15 November 2008: I bought an airfare for Vietnam at Asia Tour & Travel at 8211 N.E. Brazee, Suite F, Portland, OR 97220.
 16 November 2008: at 11:39 pm before boarding at Portland airport, I called her. When I arrived at Seattle airport, WA I called her again to make her confident. She told me that she was very happy and nervous waiting to see me at Tan Son Nhat Airport.
 18 November 2008: I arrived in Vietnam at 11:40 am. After finishing all check out procedures, I found her waiting me for a long time. It was only Trinh and me at the airport. After that Trinh took me to her house to see her parents. I stayed there until I came back to USA on 31 December 2008.
 21 November 2008: after taking a few days for rest. I asked for a permit to take Trinh to Phuoc Hai to see my grandparents and relatives. I held my mother’s death anniversary in Chu Hai. We stayed there for two days. On the afternoon of 22nd day, we returned Trinh’s parents’ home.
 24 November 2008: after asking for a permit form Trinh’s parents, we went to Dong Nai Province Department of Justice for marriage procedures. Due to the complicated procedures, I had to stay in Bien Hoa at Diamond hotel until 26 November 2008 to solve the problem.
 28 November 2008: We went to Department of Justice for the interview and then we got an appointment for getting the certificate.
 29 November 2008: Trinh’s mother took Trinh and me to Duc Long Church to see the priest for a Christian marriage procedure. After meeting all requirements for a marriage in a church as certificate of baptism, certificate of enforcement, certificate of introduction from US where I live certifying that I had not registered to get married to any one before and got the appointment. Trinh had to attend some lessons to fulfill the requirements. Our names were then announced in three consecutive Sunday church ceremony. The priest found no trouble and decided to hold the ceremony for us as per Church regulations.
 02 December 2008: We went for photo taking at Oanh Oanh Studio in Thong Nhat District, Dong Nai Province.
 03 December 2008: Trinh and I continued for a outdoor photo taking in Thac Giang Dien resort, Trang Bom District, Dong Nai Province.
 05 December 2008: Trinh and I went to Bien Hoa for placing order of wedding invitation printing. We stayed in Bien Hoa that night and she took me out for sea foods and introduced me to some of her friends.
 07 December 2008: Trinh and I went to Vung Tau for a birthday party of my old friend. We stayed in Vung Tau for 2 days.
 09 December 2008: We return to Trinh’s house. Her parents took us to visit some of their relatives and grandparents.
 10 December 2008: Trinh held my birthday party at her house.
 11 December 2008: We went to rent wedding clothes at Hoa Hong Shop for our wedding ceremony.
 12 December 2008: We went to Bien Hoa to get wedding invitation. We then bought wedding rings at PNJ shop in Bien Hoa City.
 13 December 2008: Trinh and I went out to deliver wedding invitation letters.
 14 December 2008: Trinh and I went to Phuoc Hai, Phuoc Tinh and Chu Hai to invite friends and relatives. We stayed at my grandparents’ in Phuoc Hai.
 16 December 2008: We rent a car to go to the airport to pick up my father to bring him to Phuoc Hai. We stayed at my grandparents’ house at that night.
 17 December 2008: Trinh, my father and my grandparents, my uncles and I went to Loc An cemetery. My father wanted to introduce the daughter-in-law to the ancestors of Nguyen family. We went back Trinh’s parents’ home in the afternoon of the same day.
 19 December 2008: My father went to Trinh’s family to meet and discuss and finalize the wedding preparation. My father left for my grandparents’ in Phuoc Hai in the afternoon.
 20 December 2008: At 6 am, Trinh and I were at Duc Long Church for a wedding preparation.
 21 December 2008: The date we held the wedding ceremony at Duc Long Church hosted by Priest Joseph Nguyen Xuan Triet at 9 am. The wedding party was held in the campus of Duc Long Church. Our relatives, friends, colleagues, neighbors from both families were present at the party. My father from US was also present to be host of the wedding. In our wedding there were 4 khem fruits according to our homeland custom. Total guest was 450 people sitting in 45 tables.
 22 December 2008: My close friend died of traffic accident. We had to visit and present condolences at Chu Hai Church. We went to Phuoc Hai to have meals with my grandparents. We stayed there for 2 days.
 24 December 2008: My father had to come back USA. We helped to arrange the luggage and rented a car to take my father to the airport. We went to An Dong market after that and bought some things for my return to USA. We came back Trinh’s home for a rest on the same day.
 27 December 2008 to 28 December 2008: As we did not have much free time, we spent our honeymoon in Binh Chau Hot Mineral Water resort. We then came back Trinh’s parents to stay there until we came back to USA.
 31 December 2008: My wife along with her brothers and sisters, her grandparents saw me off to USA. (Total days of my first return to Vietnam was 44 days).
 01 January 2009: I arrived at my home in USA. I called my wife and her parents to let them know that I was home safely.
 Upon coming back to USA, we often kept contact via telephone and letters. Due to my long time in Vietnam, I was very busy when I came back, I called her more than I wrote to her. We often kept contact via telephone every day. My wife often woke me up for work every morning.
Since 03 January 2009 to end of June 2009: We often kept contact via phones and post letters. Total letters she got during this time was 29 letters. My wife sent to me 23 letters.
 29 January 2009: I sent my first letter to my wife and I sent my guarantee letter to US immigrant department.
 25 March 2009: I missed my wife so much so I decided to take my annual leave to return Vietnam to see my wife. I bought a ticket at Asia Tour & Travel at 8211 N.E. Brazee, Suite F, Portland, OR 97220 to be back to Vietnam on 01 July 2009 and came back to USA on 15 July 2009.
 02 June 2009: I got a invitation letter for interview sent by email from visa center. I got to company to ask for more leave. I got a permit to stop work until 28 July 2009.
 03 July 2009: I arrived in Vietnam at 10:00 am. My wife and her family saw me at the airport. We went back her home after that.
 05 July 2009: I held my mother’s death anniversary at my uncle’s house in Chu Hai.
 07 July 2009: at 1 pm, we went to Health Service of Ho Chi Minh City – International Health Quarantine Center at 40 Nguyen Van Troi, Phu Nhuan District, Ho Chi Minh City to complete the vaccination as requested by US Consulate. We went to Cho Ray hospital for a health check appointment after that.
 15 July 2009: 6:30 am I took my wife to Cho Ray hospital at 201B Nguyen Chi Thanh, Dist. 5, Ho Chi Minh City. At 9 am, my wife completed all procedures and got an appointment from the doctor. We got the result on the next day so we stayed in a hotel at that night.
 16 July 2009: We got the result at 03 pm and came back home.
 18 July 2009: We went to Vung Tau with my wife’s family. We climbed to Tao Phung mountain where there is a Christ statue. We went for a sea bath and had lunch at Bien Dong at the back yard of Vung Tau city.
 23 July 2009: Due to the long journey, we went to Ho Chi Minh one day in advance for the interview on time. We stayed in a small hotel in Tan Binh District.
 24 July 2009: At 7 am we were present at 4 Le Duan, Dist. 1, Ho Chi Minh City, USA Consulate to stand in line to get in. I waited for her and the interview result outside. After 4 hours my wife came back with a sad face. I asked her why and we had to supplement more documents. I consoled her and came back home to complete the requests given in the paper.
 25 July 2009: I scanned the appointment of the US and sent to my company to ask for more leave. I got the reply from my company that I can stay until 26 August 2009.
 26 July 2009 to 05 August 2009: We spent all time to sit down and remember and wrote down the timeline of our relationship. And we tried to contact my ex-wife to get the information as requested by the US Consulate.
My wife is all of my life and the one I love most. Moreover I want to live beside my wife until the rest of our life. My wife is always beside me and encourages me in everything, sharing all happiness and sorrow in our life. One more thing is the happy family in which all members love and take care of each other. That is all I find in my wife. We hope to be reunited and start a new life in USA.
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___________________________ ___________________________
Name Signature
Sworn to and signed before me this ______ day of _____________, 2009
"Sau khi mình bổ sung timeline này thì kế tiếp mình bị giấy xanh tiếp và về nhà chờ đợi"

06:11 CH 15/10/2009
Thắc mắc về định cư ở Mỹ theo diện vợ/ chồng....
LY C. NGUYEN
(address)
(phone #)
U.S. Consulate General
Immigrant Visa Section
4 Le Duan St., Dist. 1
Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Re: Timeline of relationship with my wife, name: TUYET TRINH THI TRAN
DOB: ** December 19**
Case #: HCM2009******
I, LY C. NGUYEN, DOB: ** December 19**, SNN: xxx-xx-xxxx, a citizen of the United Sates of America, am the husband of TUYET TRINH THI TRAN. The following is a sworn affidavit documenting the timeline of our relationship since 2 August 2008 to present.
Brief description of our relationship:
We were introduced to each other by Mrs. Loan and Mr. Phuc. My wife and Mrs. Loan were close friends from their childhood. Mrs. Loan, Mr. Phuc and I have been very close friends over years. I have been seeing Phuc and his wife (Loan) at their house for many times. I knew Trinh by her video and photos. I asked Loan and Phuc for their opinion about Trinh, both of them strongly recommended me to be friends with Trinh. Mrs. Loan often says that I have the same ways of thinking and hard work as Trinh. For that reason, I asked Mrs. Loan for Trinh’s phone number. Mrs. Loan says that she will get back with me on that. Couple days later Mrs. Loan gave me Trinh’s phone number, and Mrs. Loan told me that she had mentioned about me to Trinh already.
 20 July 2008: Phuc and Loan invited me to their house at 2XXX SE 82nd Ave. Apt#6, Portland, Oregon 97266 for a weekend meal with their family. During the dinner, Phuc and Loan played a video film about a wedding party of their relative in Vietnam, in which there was a photo of my wife, Trinh. Talking about the girl whose name is Trinh, Loan also showed me some other photos of Loan in her family album. I asked Loan if Trinh was still single and whether I could make friends with her. Loan told me that she would let me know later after she called to ask Trinh’s opinion and then she would give me her phone number.
 26 July 2008: I invited Phuc and Loan to eat out at a Chinese restaurant, Jin Wah Restaurant at 8001 SE Powell Blvd. Suite# P. Portland, Oregon 97206. During the meal, I asked about their health and their business. Loan told me that she had contacted with Trinh and she agreed to give me her phone number so that we can get in touch and make friends with each other. I filed her phone number.
 02 August 2008: The first time I called 84908864129 to Trinh at 10:44 pm, that was on Sunday morning in Vietnam. She was not surprised as Loan, her close friend had told her about me already. We started the conversation and introduced each other, exchanged information about our job and our family. We were both very happy as we had another new friend. During this first call, due to the international call, it was interrupted and I had to call back 3 times. We spend 42 minutes over the phone.
 03 August 2008: The second time I called Trinh was at 03:57 am, that was the time I was on my way to work from my home. That was the time Trinh was just been back from the Church. We talked for about 23 minutes then I arrived at my company. I told her I would call back at another time as I had to work then. I wished her a good night and stopped the call and started my working day.
 04 August 2008: I had 2 phone called to her. The first one was at 03:53 am. It lasted for about 27 minutes and then I started work. The second one was on the same date at 03:10 pm, and we had 20 minutes talking to each other. Trinh said that she would be very busy next week as she had to work overtime at her company. She promised to continue the chat next week.
 12 + 14 August 2008: I called her back but she said she was still very busy so we could not talk much. She said she would call me when she finished her job.
 15 August 2008: at 04 am, that was 06 pm in Vietnam, Trinh called me and then she hanged up so that I would call her back after that. I called her at 04:02 am. She told me about what she did during the past week. We talked to each other about 14 minutes and then we stopped as her family got prepared for the dinner.
 16 August 2008 up to the end of August: We often contacted each other via phone, almost every day. We often talked about the subject of family. We exchanged information about life, our jobs.
 01 September 2008: It was one month since we knew each other. I kept contact with her by phone. It was only one month but I found that I had fallen in love with her. I got to know that Trinh was born into a big family. Her family was not rich in terms of materials, but it was a truly happy family. Trinh is the oldest sister, so she knows how to take care of her little brothers and sisters. She studied and worked to support her family with her parents. That made me admire her and loved her more. I called her four times during the day with the total minutes up to 63.
 07 September 2008: I called and told her that the following week I was very busy and had on time to contact her, not to wait for my call. When I finished my work, I would call her.
 12 September 2008: I called her just to let her know that I was home after one week I was far away for forklift drill. I told her I would call her the next day.
 13 September 2008: I called Trinh and she asked me about my forklift drill. We had about 20 minutes together.
 14 September 2008 to 20 September 2008: During this time we talked to each other almost every day. I was very happy hearing her voice. When I was busy not calling her I felt something lost. I asked her if she was happy when getting my phone call. Trinh was happy when she had a boyfriend who took care and concerned about her life and her thought.
 21 September 2008: I called her and started the conversation. I asked her if she had used internet. I said that she used internet at work just for company business. She had no internet at home. She said she would check if the network was available at her locality. She then gave me her two nick names for chatting via skype video.
 30 September 2008: I called her. She told me that she had connected with internet already. I asked her if we could be on internet then. She turned on the computer and we talked and saw each other in person the first time. Though it was the first time but her face looked familiar to me for a long time. My first impression about her was that she was a friendly and honest girl. This made me love her more and more.
 03 October 2008: I called her again. We got more and more familiar with each other. I told her that I missed her a lot and I could not sleep when I saw her via video chat the previous time. Her face always wandered in my mind to find something to connect with.
 04 October 2008: I called her again. We talked to each other for a long time. I asked her about her ideal husband. She told me that she liked the kind of man who belongs to family, humorous, caring and especially child loving. A man that can she can confide in to build up a happy family. After almost half an hour hearing her telling me about her ideal husband, she asked me the same question about my ideal wife. I told her that what I need in a wife is not her riches or honors but a woman with a heart filled with love for her husband and their kids. I totally agreed with her as we all loved children. We are both northerners of Vietnam left for Christ to the South in 1954. We had many things in common especially family affairs. I found that Trinh is very skilled at cooking, especially foods of northerners. Our love were getting developed more and more. We spend 82 minutes over the phone.
 05 October 2008 to 10 October 2008: We had phone calls almost every day. I asked her if she missed me. She stopped for a while and told me that she had the same feeling with me waiting for my call. Time flies and our love got developed more and more.
 11 October 2008 to 18 October 2008: We kept contact very often. At this time we were not hesitant any more. We shared everything of life. We had no distance any more. When there was happiness or sadness, we often shared to each other. I found that I cannot lack the other better half, that is Trinh. After work, I was always thinking of Trinh and missing her. I called her to confide my feelings and listened to her nice voice.
 19 October 2008: I called back to Trinh. She told me that the next day she would be in Vung Tau for a job interview. We talked for about 19 minutes then I arrived at work. I told her I would call again the next day to talk more.
 20 October 2008: I made two phone calls. The first call was at 4 am. She told me she wanted to have another well paid job so she decided to go to Vung Tau for the interview. In fact at that time I loved Trinh very much and I did not want her to go very far working hard to earn a living. I told her that if she had difficulty I could be of help to her but she refused. This call we had 23 minutes together. The second call was at 5:7 pm. We had only 3 minutes then her phone battery faded. She gave me her friend’s phone number in Vung Tau and told me that I can call that number in case I cannot reach the cell phone.
 21 October 2008: I called Trinh but I could not get connected. I waited until evening to make sure that she was there and I called her friend’s house. I started saying I love you and proposed to her over the phone. Because I was worried about her life. I felt sorry for her when she had to work her way through for a living. I wanted to take care of her every day. I wanted the rest of my life having Trinh beside me. I wanted Trinh to be my wife and the mother of my children. I love her and cannot live without her. She was surprised at my proposal, she paused for a few minutes and said that she loved me also and wanted to be besides me for the rest of her life as she understood my case that I have lived alone, without any brothers or sisters, or relatives besides and I take care of everything on my own. Trinh wanted to be beside me and shared part of my life. Before she hanged up the phone, she told that she agreed with my proposal and reminded me to take care of myself as I was already her better half.
 22 October 2008 to 26 October 2008: after proposal we kept contact and talked over the phone. She asked me to manage time to call her parents to ask for their news and get a permit for our relationship.
 09 November 2008: I called Trinh’s parents. She had told them about our relation. I asked them for our love and marriage. They told me that Trinh was old enough to make decisions about her own life. They did not force or forbid her about that. They always wish their daughter has a happy life. They said that if we really have a true love, they would support us to become husband and wife. That’s what we really wish for.
06:10 CH 15/10/2009
Thắc mắc về định cư ở Mỹ theo diện vợ/ chồng....
Robert XXXXX
XXXXX
XXXXX,New York
U.S. Consulate General.
Immigrant Visa Section
4 Le Duan St., District 01,
Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam.
Re: Timeline of relationship with my wife, Ngoc XXXXX (DOB: April XX, 19XX Case number HCM XXXXXXXXXX).
I, Robert XXXXX, a citizen of the U.S., am the husband of Ngoc XXXXX, The following is a sworn affidavit documenting the timeline of our relationship from July 25, 2007 to the present.
I met Ngoc through a neighbor and longtime friend, Nguyen XXXXX, whom I have known for over 15 years.
My ex-wife and I separated in May of 1994, with her moving in with her mother. Our divorce was finalized in 2000. Since my separation in 1994 I had had no dating relationship with any woman. My son, Richard, and I lived in our house for the next several years until 1997 when financial considerations made it necessary for me and him to move in with my mother at XXXXX; next door to Nguyen XXXXX, who lives at XXXXX. He and I have had a neighborly relationship since he moved in next door to my mother.
In July of 2007 I was at his home in my capacity as a home improvement contractor, meeting informally about doing a small repair in his house. After looking over the situation we sat down for lunch. As I was casually glancing at a number of family pictures he had nearby, one, of an attractive young woman, caught my eye.
Responding to my questions, he told me she was his niece, Ngoc , and she was a single parent like me. I had asked Nguyen to call her to introduce me.
The first time I spoke with Ngoc on the phone was July 25, 2007. Nguyen called her with me on an extension. She spoke very little English at the time and I spoke no Vietnamese. We began to talk weekly at first; always with Nguyen as translator. At this time she started taking English lessons from a tutor. Soon we began sharing family history and getting to know each other. I learned she had two young children; a girl, XXXXX, and a boy, XXXXX, whom she supported by cooking food that she sold from a pushcart.
My life was pretty much limited ot working and being the best father I could be to Richard, my son. My long-distance relationship was a bright new hope in my life.
In September of 2007 I gave Ngoc my e-mail address over the phone in one conversation. On September 17, 2007 she initiated our first e-mail correspondence, to which I quickly replied. We developed a lively interchange, averaging about two messages from each of us weekly. She wrote in English, which was at first barely understandable, but got better as time went on. We found we could communicate directly, without Nguyen's help.
As we grew closer we commenced talking through Yahoo Messenger beginning on October 19, 2007; seeing each other live and in color with the webcam while typing instant messages. My messenger screen name is XXXXX; hers is XXXXX. I bought a webcam; Ngoc used one available in an internet café at her home in XXXXX. We continued to communicate in that way for almost six months.
I have saved all of our e-mail correspondence, as well as all of our Yahoo Messenger conversations since September of 2007.
Although we were physically on opposite sides of the world, those webcam conversations allowed our relationship to grow almost as if we were in the same room.
By mid November we knew we were in love and expressed it in our messages. I felt our relationship had become very serious. We had discussed marriage and were both very comfortable with it. The proposal came after many long conversations over the phone and over the internet. On November 16, 2007, as we were chatting on the webcam I asked her to marry me and during the course of the ensuing conversation she agreed.
We determined a course of action. I would go to Vietnam, where we would have a formal engagement party. I would then apply for fiancee visas for her and her children, which we thought would be the fastest way to bring them all to the United States. We planned a simple civil wedding within a month of her arrival, followed by a small reception for our families at a restaurant.
At that time, Richard and I were still living at my mother's house. Because Ngoc and her family and I would need our own house I moved to XXXXX, in the XXXXX suburb of XXXXX, New York. I chose XXXXX because it has an excellent school district and would offer Ngoc and the children a far safer and nicer place to live. I also purchased a van because I would need a larger vehicle for Ngoc and the children.
I flew to Vietnam the first time to meet Ngoc and her family on February 6, 2008, accompanied by Nguyen. We flew from New York to Ho Chi Minh City, stayed overnight with Nguyen's relatives, then flew the final XXX miles to XXXXX on February 8, 2008.
When we arrived atXXXXX airport Ngoc was there to meet us with many members of her family. She brought me flowers. In two vans we then proceeded to her home. Ngoc lives in a small gated family compound consisting of two houses; one in which she lives with the children and the other in which her parents live. We went directly to the home of her parents. I first stayed with them at night.
On February 12, 2008, we celebrated our engagement with a traditional engagement party, which included an exchange of rings. That night I moved into her home, while the children stayed with her parents.
During the visit to Vietnam I got to know Ngoc family very well. I quickly grew close to xxxxx and xxxxx, Ngoc children. Both have been calling me "Dad" since my first visit. XXXXX has picked up more English than XXXXX, and talks to me in English all the time.
The three weeks I remained in Vietnam after the engagement party were perhaps the happiest weeks of my life, as Ngoc and I spent virtually all of our time together; sometimes alone and sometimes sightseeing with her family. Most of the time Ngoc and I traveled tandem on her father's motorbike. On February 13 we went shopping at the market with Ngoc sister, Ngoc XXXXX. On February 14 we joined Ngoc XXXX father, her uncle, and various cousins and aunts for lunch at Uncle XXXXXX house. Beginning on February 14 we started staying in a hotel at night so the two of us could be together alone. We would spend the days with her family and return to the hotel at night. On February 24 we went sightseeing to the XXXXXX City, along with Ngoc XXXX children, her cousin, XXXXX, sister, Ngoc XXXX, and Ngoc XXXXX's husband, XXXXXX.
I left XXXX on March 3, 2008, and Ngoc came with me to Ho Chi Minh City, which is a XXX mile trip. She left her children behind so she could be with me as long as possible before I left for the United States on March 6, 2008. On arrival back in the United States I filed a fiancee petition as soon as I could, which the Service Center approved on June 23, 2008.
During this time we continued our regular conversations over the internet and webcam and telephone. Between March 7 and my departure on August 2, 2008, we were conversing by webcam and telephone approximately four times per week. On her birthday, April 2, 2008, I spoke with her for two hours on the phone.
I left XXXXX to return to Vietnam on August 2, 2008, to be with Ngoc as she prepared to move to the United States. I arrived in XXXXX the morning of August 4 and again was greeted by my fiancee with a bouquet of flowers. We began completing the necessary paperwork and preparing for the interview. We sent the paperwork to Ho Chi Minh City on August 6, 2008. We then proceeded to enjoy each other's company, sightseeing and shopping. It was Ngoc way of saying good-bye to her country.
On August 10 we went to the XXXXX hot springs. On August 18 we visited XXXXXX. On August 31 we went to XXXXXX.
On September 5, a few days before we left XXXX a lot of family members came to say good-bye. We left on September 7 to go to Ho Chi Minh City for the medical exam and preparations for her visa interview, scheduled for September 15. I accompanied her and her children to the embassy. I was at the embassy at the time of the interview, but was not permitted in the room.
On September 17, to our shock and horror we received a form refusing the visa on the grounds that the facts of our relationship "as ascertained by consular officers would convince a reasonable person that the claimed relationship is a sham, entered into solely for immigration purposes and to evade immigration laws." I submitted a request to meet with consul to ask for a reconsideration, but my request was denied.
On September 24 all four of us left Ho Chi Minh City to return to XXXXX. Though the consul's letter of refusal came as a surprise and a shock, it only strengthened our love and our determination to live together. Devastated, but determined to marry, we started making wedding plans. We filed the paperwork in the first week of October. We had to see the doctor for the mental competency exam.
On or about September 30 Ngoc and I flew back to Ho Chi Minh City, because I needed a paper to show my single status. Three days later we flew back to XXXXX to file the papers to start the marriage process. After filing the paperwork we started making wedding plans, sending out invitations, shopping for wedding rings, getting her wedding dress, and finding a place for the ceremony.
Prior to the wedding we had a pre-wedding party at the home of one of Ngoc cousins, on October 20, at which she wore a beautiful pink gown and I wore my best dark suit.
The ceremony took place in a restaurant in XXXXX on October 26, 2008, at 11:30 a.m. For the wedding Ngoc wore a striking Vietnamese traditional costume and then changed to a white wedding gown. We were both very happy to finally become husband and wife. We recorded the wedding at the XXXXX Committee Office four days later.
I remained with my wife and the children about two more weeks and returned to the United States on November 9, 2008. Our parting was depressing. I departed from XXXXX airport the evening of the ninth. Ngoc and other family members were there to say good-bye. Both she and I cried profusely.
Since returning to the United States my wife and I continue to communicate for hours at a time by Yahoo Messenger and by telephone.
Around April 29, 2009, or so she became sick with a cold or flu and was unable to go to the webcam. I felt bad that I could not be with her while she was sick, so I began calling her on the phone every day. We have talked every day on the phone since; at first for an hour a day and later for longer periods of time because an hour seemed too short a time. I use a calling card to keep the expense of these calls down. The numbers that I most commonly call for this purpose is: XXXXXXXXXX. XXXXXXXXXX. I can provide these calling cards if you need to see them.
Because of all the difficulties we had encountered after her first interview I have felt it necessary to save as many documents as I can to prove that this is a bona fide relationship and not a sham, as the embassy has alleged.
I first flew to Vietnam on February 6, 2008, and stayed until March 6, 2008. On the second trip I arrived in Vietnam on August 3, 2008, and stayed three months until November 9, 2008.
I plan on flying back to Vietnam again, hopefully in September of 2009 to be with my wife and help her finish the paperwork that needs to be submitted to the embassy in preparation for her spousal visa interview.
I found a woman that I love very much. More importantly, I found in her what I have been looking for all my life. She is my life, my love, and I want to spend the rest of my life with her.
She is always there for me, patiently listening to my problems, shares her opinions and thoughts, and I do the same for her.
Last but not least, the most important thing in marriage is to love and be loved. I definitely find that with Ngoc . She is a very loving and passionate woman who values family very much. I never imagined I would find the love of my life halfway around the world and now I can’t imagine a day without her in my life. She has become a part of my family as I have become a part of hers.
Ngoc and I still remain in regular contact while we’re apart from each other. We also look forward to starting our lives together as husband and wife when she arrives here in the U.S.
Because my wife and I share a deep love and a profound commitment to each other I hope the Service will recognize that our relationship is bona fide in every way, and will act on my petition accordingly.
I, Robert XXXXXX , a citizen of the U.S and currently reside at XXXXX, do hereby state that the above is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge.
______________________________ _______________________________
Name Signature
06:04 CH 15/10/2009
Thắc mắc về định cư ở Mỹ theo diện vợ/ chồng....
XXXXXXX
47 Reservoir Ave
Revere, MA 02151
U.S. Consulate General
Immigrant Visa Section
4 Le Duan st., Dist 1
Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Re: Chronological timeline of our relationship with my fiancé, XXXXXX
DOB: 06/16/1984
HCM2009725121
I, XXXXXX, a citizen of the U.S., I am the fiancée of XXXXXXX. The following is a sworn affidavit document the chronological timeline of our relationship from December 26, 2005 to present.
Dec 22, 2005 – Jan 30, 2006 (Travel to Vietnam # 1)
o Dec 26-27, 2005 – The BEGINNING- It was winter break of my sophomore year in college. I met Huynh, XXXXX (at present my fiancé) at a photocopy shop in Vung Tau, Vietnam, where he worked. The photocopy shop included other services such as editing photos and color printings. I was working on a collection of orchids photograph. Huynh, a technician there, helped me edit my pictures and organized them into a portfolio. This project took about two days and since then we became friends.
o Dec 30, 2005 – FIRST DATE. He took me to Suoi Tien, Ho Chi Minh city, Vietnam.
o Jan 1, 2006 – Our second date was at Long Hai Monkey temple, Vietnam.
o Jan 2-29, 2006 – We saw each other at our convenience for breakfast, coffee, dinner or just browsing the Vung Tau city, Vietnam.
o Jan 30,th 2006- I returned back to the United States for school. Due to both of our daily lives and busy schedules, we sustain a minimal relationship.
Dec 17, 2007 - Jan15, 2008 (Travel to Vietnam # 2)
o Dec 17, 2007 – REUNITED. After graduating from college and wanting to have fun before working, I travelled to Vietnam. As a result, I met up with Huynh again.
o Dec 20, 2007 - We went to a friend’s wedding in Ba Ria, Vietnam
o Christmas’s Eve and New Year’s Eve of 2008 – Celebrated in Ho Chi Minh city.
o Jan 5, 2008 - We went to my cousin’s wedding in Long Phuong, Ba Ria Vietnam.
o Jan 9, 2008 – DECLARATION OF RELATIONSHIP. This trip had brought us closer because we mainly spent our daily times together. Therefore, we official started our relationship. At Window Coffee Shop in Tx Ba Ria, I was looking at a Vietnamese Magazine. Wanting to hold my hand, Huynh politely asked for a magazine that I was holding. Since I couldn’t read Vietnamese, he would read it for me. After handing him the magazine, he held my hand instead of the magazine and would not let it go. It was so hot in Vietnam that I could feel his and mine hands sweating, and still, he would not let me go.
o Jan10, 2009- FIRST “MUAH”. Huynh still very shy. The next day, while we were driving to another coffee shop at Long Dien, Vietnam. I was sitting on the back of his scooter and we were talking. It was very windy and I could not hear him clearly. Therefore, my face was leaned over his left shoulder for better hearing; he turned his head and immediately locked his lips to my cheek, “Muah!”
o Jan 14, 2009 – FIRST LIPS to LIPS. At Tan Son Nhat Airport, Vietnam, we spent our last couple of hours together at the departure side walk looking down at the parking lot. He held me in his arms really tight. It was about thirty minutes to my departure time, I told him I have to go. He was looking at me with his teary eyes and slowly closed his eyes moving his lips closer to mine then he kisses my lips.
o January 15, 2008 - I returned to United States.
Jan 15, 2008-August 30, 2008
o DAYS AND NIGHTS with the PHONE. Missing me too much he spent a lot on his mobile card to call me. Each day we spent at least three to four hours talking to each other. He called every morning to wake me up and at night to wish good night. This is how we keep our long distance relationship strong. To save Huynh money, I signed up for Saving call, and many other prepaid phone card. We also keep our relationship going by yahoo chat, voice chat and web-cam.
August 30, 2008-Sept 14, 2008 (Travel to Vietnam # 3)
o “PETITE”. Missing Huynh, my boyfriend (at that time) so much, I returned to Vietnam. He spotted me before I saw him. He ran from the side to surprise me with a really tight hug that I could barely breathe. The first sentence he said after our long tight hug, “Wow you so petite!” We have our lovely fourteen days together; it was one of the most fun times of my life. We traveled under budget so we decided to stay locally. This trip brought us even closer.
Sept 15, 2008- Nov 28, 2008
o BACK to a MISERABLE LIFE. I was back in the United States. Sadly, he’s still in Vietnam. Missing him so much, I could not concentrate on my life. I want to leave everything that I studied hard for behind so I could return to Vietnam to be with him. I left Boston, Massachusetts on Nov 28, 2008 and landed to Vietnam on Nov 29 at 11:20pm.
Nov 29, 2008 – Feb 5, 2009 (Travel to Vietnam # 4)
o I was struggling with finding a decent job that related to my major of nursing in Vietnam. Therefore, I volunteered in Long Xien Kindergarden. I did not have a scooter’ driver license and Huynh thought it was too dangerous for me to drive. As a result, he was my designated driver. Every weekday morning and afternoon he drove about 20-25 minutes from Ba Ria, where he live to my parents’ retirement house, Long Hai to pick me up. Afterward, we drove to Long Xien Kindergarden about another 30 minutes ride.
o Jan 1, 2009- TWO BECOME ONE. He took me to Imperial Plaza for dinner. He asked for a candle to be lit at our table. Huynh was trying to be romantic but the candle did not work. The light kept flickering off because we were sitting outside close by the sea. Ignoring what was going on with the candle, he turned his attention to me and suggested that we should get engage. “I love you. I want to be with you and I want you to be mine.” He explained and I agreed with him. However, in respect to our parents, we need them to meet each other to talk first.
o Jan 7, 2009- MEET THE PARENTS. My fiancé’s dad (my father in-law) arrived to my house in Long Hai around 9:00am from Gia Lai to talk to my parents about our engagement ceremony. Both parents decided that it was still the year of the Rat (our birth Zodiac Animal), thus, both parents believe it was a bad luck year for us to celebrate. Furthermore, all of my siblings are back in the U.S. and all of his relatives are still in Gia Lai, Vietnam. This decision had arrived upon them and our parents fairly quickly to arrange travel plans. Tet, a Vietnamese New Year, also in 3 weeks, everyone was busy getting ready to celebrate it. Therefore, my fiancé and I decided to postpone our engagement ceremony to be at a more convenient time. Nonetheless, our parents concluded to have our engagement celebration on November 28, 2009. (After the parents agreed, we officially engaged.)
o Jan20, 2009- My fiancé’s sisters visits him at his Lam Son’s photocopy shop, I went to greet them.
o Jan 25, 2009- Dem Dau Thua, he took me to Vung Tau to see the fireworks.
o Jan 26, 2009- Tet, at 2:00am he drove my mom and I to the temple in Ba Ria, Vietnam for blessings.
o Jan 27, 2009 – The first day of Tet, my fiancé came to my grandma’s house in Long Phuoc to meet and greet.
o Jan 30-Feb 3, 2009- K1 VISA. In Vietnam, we researched for ways that we can travel to the United States together. We found that K1 Visa is the fastest methods and it also fit our situation.
o Feb 5, 2009 - Could not find job in Vietnam, I went back to United States for I have a job offer. Furthermore, I need to return to the USA to file for the K-1. If I filed it early by the time we have our ceremony on Nov 28, 2009, my fiancé could accompany me to the United States.
Feb 6, 2009-November 21, 2009
o HOPING FOR the Happy Ever After. During the summer I planned to visit my fiancé; however, if I was taken vacation in the summer, I would not have enough days to request off of work for my engagement. As a result, I postponed my trip and we planned our ceremony over the phone and web-cam. Also, my parents will return to Vietnam 7-8 weeks prior to prepare for it.
o Feb 7, 2009- Back in the United States, I continued working on my I-129F.
o June 24, 2009- We decided on a big engagement ceremony in Vietnam since all of my fiancé’s relatives and friends are in Vietnam. My family’s relatives are also in Vietnam. A small wedding party will be celebrated in the United States after he landed for I only have a couple of friends and colleagues.
o August 29, 2009- Myself and my oldest brother’s family of four bought air tickets flying to Vietnam on November 21, 2009.
o Oct15, 2009-My parents will return to Vietnam to get ready for our ceremony.
o Nov 21, 2009- My brothers and their wives and children will fly to Vietnam with me for my engagement ceremony on November 25, 2009.
UNTIL NOW WE STILL TALK AT LEAST 2 – 3 HOURS 7 DAYS A WEEK.
I, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX, a citizen of U.S and currently reside at 47 Reservoir Ave, Revere, MA, 02151., do hereby state that the above is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge.
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Thắc mắc về định cư ở Mỹ theo diện vợ/ chồng....
Robert XXXXX
XXXXX Drive
XXXXX, New York
U.S. Consulate General.
Immigrant Visa Section
4 Le Duan St., District 01,
Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam.
Re: Timeline of relationship with my wife, Ngoc Anh XXXXX(DOB: April 02, 19XX Case number HCM XXXX XXX XXX).
I, Robert XXXXX, a citizen of the U.S., am the husband of Ngoc Anh XXXXX, The following is a sworn affidavit documenting the timeline of our relationship from July 25, 2007 to the present.
I met Ngoc Anh through a neighbor and longtime friend, Nguyen XXXXX, whom I have known for over 15 years.
My ex-wife and I separated in May of 1994, with her moving in with her mother. Our divorce was finalized in 2000. Since my separation in 1994 I had had no dating relationship with any woman. My life was pretty much limited to working and being the best father I could be to my son, Richard. He and I lived in our house for the next several years until 1997 when financial considerations made it necessary for me and him to move in with my mother at XXXXX; next door to Nguyen XXXXX, who lives at XXXXX.
Nguyen and I have had a neighborly relationship since he moved in next door to my mother. We would speak often on all kinds of subjects. I am a home improvement contractor by trade. In July of 2007 Nguyen asked me for advice on the care and maintenance of his house. After giving my opinion on how he should go about taking care of the situation we sat down for lunch. As I was casually glancing at a number of family pictures he had nearby, one, of an attractive young woman, caught my eye.
Responding to my questions, he told me she was his niece, Ngoc Anh, and she was a single parent like me. She had been married from 1995 until February of 2001, when her husband died in a forestry accident.
I had asked Nguyen to call her to introduce me.
The first time I spoke with Ngoc Anh on the phone was July 25, 2007. Nguyen called her with me on an extension. She spoke very little English at the time and I spoke no Vietnamese. We began to talk weekly at first; with Nguyen as translator for the first couple of weeks. At this time she started taking English lessons from a tutor and was soon able to speak with me without a translator. Soon we began sharing family history and getting to know each other. I learned she had two young children; a girl, Duyen, and a boy, Manh, whom she supported by cooking food that she sold from a pushcart.
In September of 2007 I gave Ngoc Anh my e-mail address over the phone in one conversation. On September 17, 2007 she initiated our first e-mail correspondence, to which I quickly replied. We developed a lively interchange, averaging about two messages from each of us weekly. She wrote in English, which was at first barely understandable, but got better as time went on. We found we could communicate directly, without Nguyen's help.
As we grew closer we commenced talking through Yahoo Messenger beginning on October 19, 2007; seeing each other live and in color with the webcam while typing instant messages. My messenger screen name is XXXXX; hers is XXXXX. I bought a webcam; Ngoc Anh used one available in an internet café at her home in XXXXX. We continued to communicate in that way for almost six months.
I have saved all of our e-mail correspondence, as well as all of our Yahoo Messenger conversations since September of 2007.
Although we were physically on opposite sides of the world, those webcam conversations allowed our relationship to grow almost as if we were in the same room.
By mid November we knew we were in love and expressed it in our messages. I felt our relationship had become very serious. We had discussed marriage and were both very comfortable with it. The proposal came after many long conversations over the phone and over the internet. On November 16, 2007, as we were chatting on the webcam I asked her to marry me and during the course of the ensuing conversation she agreed.
We determined a course of action. I would go to Vietnam, where we would have a formal engagement party. I would then apply for fiancee visas for her and her children, which we thought would be the easiest way to bring them all to the United States. We planned a simple civil wedding within a month of her arrival, followed by a small reception for our families at a restaurant.
At that time, Richard and I were still living at my mother's house. Because Ngoc Anh and her family and I would need our own house I bought a house at XXXXX, in the XXXXX suburb of XXXXX, New York in April of 2008. I chose XXXXX because it has an excellent school district and would offer Ngoc Anh and the children a far safer and nicer place to live. I also purchased a van in October of 2007 because as a family we would need a larger vehicle.
Since she accepted my proposal of marriage I have been sending my wife money (averaging $200 a month) to help with the support my family.
I flew to Vietnam the first time to meet Ngoc Anh and her family on February 6, 2008, accompanied by Nguyen. We flew from New York to Ho Chi Minh City, stayed overnight with Nguyen's relatives, then flew the final XXX miles to XXX on February 8, 2008.
When we arrived at XXXXXX airport Ngoc Anh was there to meet us with many members of her family, including her father, Di; her sister, Ngoc Chau; her aunt, and her uncle, with other relatives and children. She brought me flowers. In two vans we then proceeded to her home. Ngoc Anh lives in a small gated family compound consisting of two houses; one in which she lives with the children and the other in which her parents live. We went directly to the home of her parents.
During the visit to Vietnam I got to know Ngoc Anh's family very well. I quickly grew close to Duyen and Manh, Ngoc Anh's children. Both have been calling me "Dad" since my first visit. Duyen has picked up more English than Manh, and talks to me in English all the time.
On February 12, 2008, we celebrated our engagement with a traditional dính hon ceremony, which included an exchange of rings, followed by a large family feast. It reminded me of wedding ceremonies I have attended here in XXXXX, with all the people and conversation and plenty of food.
The three weeks I remained in Vietnam after the engagement party were perhaps the happiest weeks of my life, as Ngoc Anh and I spent virtually all of our time together; sometimes alone and sometimes sightseeing with her family. Most of the time Ngoc Anh and I and Ngoc Chau and her husband, Tuan, would travel on motorbikes; she and Ngoc Chau on one bike and me and Tuan on the other.
On February 13 we went shopping at the XXXXX market with Ngoc Anh's sister, her brother-in-law, and her nephew. On February 14 Ngoc Anh and I went with her father, her sister and the children to her aunt and uncle's house for lunch. There were maybe 18 people all together at Uncle Ngoc and Aunt Loc's house that day. Big feast, lots of fun, and me learning the Vietnamese culture and traditions.
Most days we would just stay at her parent's house. I was getting to know her family and they were getting to know me by interacting with the children, going for walks, buying ice cream.
On February 24 we went sightseeing to the XXXXX, along with Ngoc Anh's children, her cousin, Bun, sister, Ngoc Chau, and Ngoc Chau's husband, Tuan.
I left XXXXX on March 3, 2008, and Ngoc Anh came with me to Ho Chi Minh City, which is a XXXX mile trip. She left her children behind so she could be with me as long as possible before I left for the United States on March 6, 2008. On arrival back in the United States I filed the I-129F Fiancee Visa Petition for Ngoc Anh on Tues., 3/18/08, which the Service Center approved on June 23, 2008.
During this time we continued our regular conversations over the internet and webcam and telephone. Between March 7 and my departure on August 2, 2008, we were conversing by webcam and telephone approximately four times per week. On her birthday, April 2, 2008, I spoke with her for two hours on the phone.
I left XXXXX to return to Vietnam on August 2, 2008, to be with Ngoc Anh as she prepared to move to the United States. I arrived in XXXXX the morning of August 4 and again was greeted by my fiancee with a bouquet of flowers. We began completing the necessary paperwork and preparing for the interview. We sent the paperwork to Ho Chi Minh City on August 6, 2008. We then proceeded to enjoy each other's company, sightseeing and shopping. It was Ngoc Anh's way of saying good-bye to her country.
On August 10 we went to the XXXXX XXXXX hot springs. On August 18 we visited XXXXX Beach. On August 31 we went to XXXXX XXXXX Lake.
During this time, every two or three days we would go grocery shopping. Either the supermarket near her house on XXXXX Street, or the larger supermarket in the XXXXX plaza. While shopping we would also look around for ideas for things we would need for our house when she comes to America. Things like pictures for the walls and rice bowls and chopsticks.
On September 2 Vietnam's Independence Day, we went to the XXXXX River and we watched the boat races.
On September 5, a few days before we left XXXXX a lot of family members came to say good-bye. We left on September 7 to go to Ho Chi Minh City for the medical exam and preparations for her visa interview, scheduled for September 15. I accompanied her and her children to the embassy. I was at the embassy at the time of the interview, but was not permitted in the room.
On September 17, to our shock and horror we received a form refusing the visa on the grounds that the facts of our relationship "as ascertained by consular officers would convince a reasonable person that the claimed relationship is a sham, entered into solely for immigration purposes and to evade immigration laws." I submitted a request to meet with consul to ask for a reconsideration, but my request was denied.
On September 24 all four of us left Ho Chi Minh City to return to XXXXX. Though the consul's letter of refusal came as a surprise and a shock, it only strengthened our love and our determination to live together. Devastated, but determined to marry, we started making wedding plans. We filed the paperwork in the first week of October. We had to see the doctor for the mental competency exam.
On or about September 30 Ngoc Anh and I flew back to Ho Chi Minh City, because I needed a paper to show my single status. Three days later we flew back to XXXXX to file the papers to start the marriage process. After filing the paperwork we started making wedding plans, sending out invitations, shopping for wedding rings, getting her wedding dress, and finding a place for the ceremony.
Prior to the wedding we had a pre-wedding party at the home of one of Ngoc Anh's cousins, on October 20, at which she wore a beautiful pink gown and I wore my best dark suit.
The ceremony took place in a restaurant in XXXXX on October 26, 2008, at 11:30 a.m. For the wedding Ngoc Anh wore a striking Vietnamese traditional costume and then changed to a white wedding gown. We were both very happy to finally become husband and wife. We recorded the wedding at the XXXXX People's Committee Office four days later.
I remained with my wife and the children about two more weeks and returned to the United States on November 9, 2008. Our parting was depressing. I departed from XXXXX airport the evening of the ninth. Ngoc Anh and other family members were there to say good-bye. Both she and I cried profusely.
Since returning to the United States my wife and I continue to communicate for hours at a time by Yahoo Messenger and by telephone.
Around April 29, 2009, or so she became sick with a cold or flu and was unable to go to the webcam. I felt bad that I could not be with her while she was sick, so I began calling her on the phone every day. We have talked every day on the phone since; at first for an hour a day and later for longer periods of time because an hour seemed too short a time. I use a calling card to keep the expense of these calls down. The numbers that I most commonly call for this purpose is: XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX. I can provide these calling cards if you need to see them.
Because of all the difficulties we had encountered after her first interview I have felt it necessary to save as many documents as I can to prove that this is a bona fide relationship and not a sham, as the embassy has alleged.
My long-distance relationship is a bright new hope in my life.
I first flew to Vietnam on February 6, 2008, and stayed until March 6, 2008. On the second trip I arrived in Vietnam on August 3, 2008, and stayed three months until November 9, 2008.
I plan on flying back to Vietnam again, hopefully in September of 2009 to be with my wife and help her finish the paperwork that needs to be submitted to the embassy in preparation for her spousal visa interview.
The relationship progressed quickly because we met, fell in love, and want to be together forever. I found a woman that I love very much. More importantly, I found in her what I have been looking for all my life. It is very difficult being apart from each other, the only thing that matters is us being together. If she is unable to come to America, I am willing to move to Vietnam, as long as we can be together. She is my life, my love, and I want to spend the rest of my life with her.
She is always there for me, patiently listening to my problems, making plans for the future. We have discussed where the children will be going to school. I am in the process of registering the children for school here in XXXXXX, New York. I have done only minimal decoration and furnishings, because I want my wife to actively participate in the home furnishing; things like curtains, what color scheme, what kind of pictures we should have on the walls, how to arrange the furniture and stuff like that. We have also discussed employment for when she gets here.
Last but not least, the most important thing in marriage is to love and be loved. I definitely find that with Ngoc Anh. She is a very loving and passionate woman who values family very much. I never imagined I would find the love of my life halfway around the world and now I can’t imagine a day without her in my life. She has become a part of my family as I have become a part of hers.
Ngoc Anh and I still remain in regular contact while we’re apart from each other. We also look forward to starting our lives together as husband and wife when she arrives here in the U.S.
Because my wife and I share a deep love and a profound commitment to each other I hope the Service will recognize that our relationship is bona fide in every way, and will act on my petition accordingly.
I, Robert XXXXXX , a citizen of the U.S and currently reside at XXXXXX Drive, do hereby state that the above is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge.
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On January 1, 2008, Anh took me to his house and allowed me to help him with the restaurant because it was New Year’s Day and they had many costumers. I helped as a waitress. I never waited tables before. Seeing Anh work so hard made me very proud of him. I saw that he doesn’t complain from busy work and that he has a lot of patience dealing with some annoying costumers. I realized he has the characteristics and personalities that I wanted in an idle guy.
On January 2, 2008, we made the tradition of going out for a fancy dinner at least once a week. This meant getting all dressed up and going out like that of the American culture. Anh enjoyed this idea very much though he was quite shy at wearing a tie out to dinner. He wasn’t very much an attention hogging kind of guy. It made his all the more cute! We had dinner at a new restaurant that just opened in town. The restaurant was inside the New Star Hotel. I bought my computer along to video record out meal because I wanted the memory to be stored for later viewing. We had a lovely meal and Anh was a perfect gentlemen. I felt very loved.
On January 2, 2008, after dinner, we went back to his house and he proposed! We were by the lake at his house and he went down on both knees. He asked, “Will you marry my?” I burst out laughing. It was just so cute and so wrong at the same time. I corrected his English and he tried again. “Will you marry me?” I said yes! We wore promise rings that we had picked out earlier that day. I knew about the promise ring but not at all about him wanting to propose. I didn’t know that he was thinking about marriage at his age. I remember him telling me that he didn’t want to marry until in his late 20’s. There wasn’t much to think about because I could already see a future with him from our daily phone calls and webcam chats. Also, knowing that my parents where good with him made the yes easier to say. I was happy, my parents were happy, the person I love was happy. Yes was the only way to go. I called my mom right after I got back to Di 3’s house. My mom and Di 3 were really excited to hear all the details. I enjoyed the bonding experience with my family very much. Knowing Anh has brought me closer with my family and allowed them to see how mature I’ve become.
On January 10, 2008, we went to a photo studio and took pictures. We decided to take our pre-wedding pictures there too since I had time to spare. It was nice, we went on location and when I got tired, Anh made sure I got some rest and plenty of water. He’s so caring; it made me love him all the more. The pictures were beautiful.
On January 13, 2008, I returned to the States. Our parting left tears in both our eyes. It was really hard to part, harder than I had expected. Once in the airport, I missed him already. Luckily, I had a bag full of the fruits that he had prepared for me for my flight over the Pacific’s. I paid attention to me very well and it made me feel more satisfied with the decision to accept his hand in marriage.
On February 14, 2008, I received some flowers and chocolate from Anh and a nice romantic his dinner/my lunch via webcam. We timed to meet online at 10 with food prepared on both sides and dressed accordingly. I wore a cute dress and he wore a nice button down shirt to which he removed promptly because it was too hot. Having meals over the webcam is a typical event for us. I make sure that he’s full before bed and he makes sure I get a good lunch everyday. So, we eat together all the time. Valentine’s day was different in that we dressed up for it. It keeps our relationship fresh and spontaneous.
In March 2008, my mother and I went to special order my wedding dress at David’s Bridal because of my small size. It’s so hard to find a well-fitted wedding dress.
In the times in between, we talk and we phone and we webcam every day, 2 times, 3 times, 4 times or more a day. We constantly know each other’s whereabouts and it’s absolutely awesome. I make sure he doesn’t stay out late and he makes sure I don’t stay up to study too late. I call him every morning his time to make sure he gets up on time to do all his chores and he makes sure I don’t oversleep on the days I have exams.
On June 25, 2008, my whole family, a total of 13 people ranging from aunts and uncles and cousins and second cousins and sister and mom and dad boarded a plan to go to Vietnam to celebrate my wedding.
On June 27, 2008, I arrived to Vietnam for the third time and Anh met my parents and little sister. He greeted my parents respectful and my parents accepted him humbly. My sister didn’t like him at first, but appreciated him after he peeled longans for her to eat. He knew that longans were my and my sister’s favorite fruit. Anh scored good point with my sister and that was good for him.
On June 29 2008, Anh and I had our dam hoi ceremony. Both his family and my family felt that a dam hoi is much needed before a wedding because every Vietnamese girl must have a proper presentation to the world that she was honored for marriage. To them, I was a special girl and I deserved everything, so they bent over backwards to give me everything.
Our engagement took 27 tables, which was 270 guests. They range from family friends, to old work colleagues of mom and dad, to neighbors to practically the whole town. It was a nice event and Anh and I felt very honored and blessed.
On July 6, 2008, we had our wedding! I couldn’t say that I had my moments as “bridezilla” but it was a lovely event. We had 450 people in attendance. I looked lovely in my red ao dai and him in his blue. I had 4 wardrobe changes and a 5 tier squared cake of my dreams, not to mention a dashing groom who proudly introduced me to all his friends and former classmates. The only thing I regret was not having our first dance. I understand that typical Vietnamese weddings don’t have this tradition but I would like it very much. However, there were so many guests and the bride and groom had to man the doors after greeting every table.
From July 8, 2008 to July 15, 2008, Anh and I went on our honeymoon. We went to Nha Trang and then Da Lat. My family tagged along because they are Viet Kieu and hadn’t been to those places in like 9 years. At Nha Trang we went to the beach and on tour guides around the island. I got kind of sea sick on the boat ride but Anh stayed close to comfort and watch over me. Early in the morning, around 4 am, Anh and I would get up and walk around Nha Trang. We saw old people practicing Tai Chi and sword dancing exercises. Anh and I also enjoyed hot sua dau nanh. Then we went down the shore and tried to catch some crabs. It was very fun! In Da Lat, we went shopping at the midnight market. We enjoyed street performances. When I stared dancing, Anh was a bit embarrassed but then joined me anyway. I felt that I’m rubbing off on him and that he won’t be shy much longer. It was a good feeling. We also rode the two-person bike along the big lake of Da Lat. I will never do that again! It took forever to finish and by the time we were done, I felt so bad for my husband because by half way around the lake, I was barely paddling. He did most of the work. Him being tired and snoring right when he got into bed made me chuckle.
On July 17, 2008, Anh and I took my sister, my cousins, and his cousins to Suoi Tien. We played the ball house, bummer cars and thrilling rides. We also paddled the swans in the water. That was the relaxing part of the day and the part of the day where we had some alone time. At Suoi Tien, we always had to visit the crocodiles for some fishing.
On July 25, 2008, I returned to the States. This departure was tougher than the last. I didn’t want to leave my husband. We made a pack not to cry at the airport the night before, but I surely blew it.
I got back to the States and we continue our lives with our computers attached to our hips. We webcam and we phoned. We also go to use the yahoo voice chat option because yahoo finally had a version for Apple Mac users.
In August 2008, I applied for petition for my husband, Anh Quoc Nguyen, to immigrate to the U.S.
On September 27, 2008, Anh sent me a package from Vietnam for my birthday present. He made me a non-edible cake. It was the cutest thing ever. He wanted to show me his artistic side. I appreciated it every much but it made me realize that he should leave the artistic aspects to me. As usual, we have our special meal dates via webcam. My little sister said we are the weirdest couple ever!
On November 11, 2008, I gave him 22 cuc moc because we love bun moc. I also sent him 22 white undershirts as an inside joke. He loved it.
On December 25, 2008, I sent Anh some shirts I bought him from Armani Exchange. He sent me some perfume. Anh also saw my sister open present Christmas morning. I was awesome family bonding even though it was via webcam. I really am grateful to yahoo messenger.
On December 31, 2008, we did our midnight kiss again, but this time it was via webcam and lasted only a few seconds. Still it was enjoyable, silly and memorable.
On March 12, 2009, I board the plane to fly to Vietnam to spend my spring break with my husband. Most of my friends went to Cancun from some partying fun. I just wanted to be with my husband. I grew tired of the kissing via webcam and the silly mind hugs. I wanted to touch him and wanted to feel him touch me. We were missing each other terribly so I spurge on a one week trip to see my husband.
Besides allowing my husband and I to reunite for the time being, I also allowed me to visit my father-in-law. My father-in-law was diagnosed with cancer. He spent his time at the hospital in Saigon. Anh and I took the bus to see him almost every day of my visit. I saw how caring Anh was to his father and it made me understand what a good son he was. I thought to myself that I really did found a good man. A son who can care for his family wholehearted is very hard to find. I found one and I’m not letting go.
On March 19, 2009, I departed Vietnam and once again, not by my husband side. It was too painful.
I got back to the States and we continued to use our computers as our life source because we couldn’t live without each other. Every time the Internet was down, we both panic. I once had to bring my computer in for repair because the hard drive as broken. We didn’t get to webcam for a week. We were miserable. Anh’s internet in Vietnam malfunctions all the time and so we got frustrated all the time.
Our relationship has gotten so strong because of the time and distance between us. We scheduled our daily lives around the times before our bedtimes to make sure to we talk to each other before the other slept. I call him every time I’m walking from one class to the other as I attend college. I take him to class with me at time. My friends got to see him via webcam. It was so funny how if my friends were around, he’d put on a shirt to save me the embarrassment without me having to ask him. He always thinks of me, for me, about me. He even helped me write my essays for my Vietnamese class. He is absolutely awesome. I love him dearly.
On July 26, 2009, we received the appointment letter from the NVC. We were smiling and screaming like monkeys! Well, maybe only I was.
On August 7, 2009, my husband went for his medical exam. I was on the phone with him while he waited. I couldn’t be with him physically because I had summer school. I wish so much to be with him during this time and the time of the interview, but my school is in the way. We prioritized my school as the up most importance because my schooling is what will help us have a good future. The day of his interview is also my first day of my 4th year in college. I really couldn’t fly to Vietnam.
I found a man I could share my life with. I can’t wait for him to come to the States. I’m taking him to have sushi with me because I eat it so much and he just couldn't understand why I love it so much. He’s never had any and is afraid of it. I'm so excited to give him a California roll. I want to take him to Mt. Bonnel to let him see the Austin skyline at night. I want to take him to the Harry Potter midnight showing with my sister and I because he couldn’t understand why I loved reading those books so much. I want to take him to Austin’s Barton Spring pool where the temperature of the water year round is 67 degrees F. He needs to teach me how to swim. I can’t wait for my husband to live here with me and work hard side my side with me to create our sweet home and enjoyable. We have so much to do and share and memories to create. It all starts with him reuniting with me here in the States. I can't wait!
I, Tien ....., a citizen of the U.S and currently reside at ........., Austin, Texas, 78758, do hereby state that the following is true and accurate the best of my knowledge.
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